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I bought a refurb crosman fury a while ago. Gave it a lube tune and it shot real well until one day the spring failed. I looked on the crosman website and the fury does not have an exploded view for ordering springs and seals and the like. However, the phantom appeared to have the same internals as the fury, and parts are available. I also noticed that crosman had a refurb phantom with a scope for $59 so I ordered one. (I live in Thunder Bay, about 50k from the can-usa border. I order it to my usa shipping address and drive there and pick it up. Show 'em my pal at the Canadian side and everyone is happy.)
Well, I opened up the phantom yesterday. Totally different gun than the fury. ??? Not at all a match to the exploded view on the crosman site. 30mm tube on the fury. 34mm tube on the phantom. Compression tube on the fury is 25mm longer than the phantom. Internals of the fury match the exploded view on the crosman site for the phantom. The internals of the phantom in front of me are nothing like the exploded view on the crosman site.
The phantom has a plastic spring guide that looks like it came off my B3. It also has a stamped steel piston with a huge mother of a steel weight as a top hat. Short heavy spring. The first time I shot the thing it just about jumped out of my hands. I made a smaller top hat on my lathe and put it back together with a basic lube tune. Shot real well, but too slow now, chrono'd at about 600 fps with 7.5 gr. Rather than make a new heavier top hat, I thought I'd just add a few quarters ahead of the top hat until I got to the velocity I wanted (800 fps). At $1.25 CDN the velocity is right on 800 fps. Each time you add a quarter, it adds weight and a little more preload. The total weight of the smaller top hat and the quarters is probably half of the original top hat weight. Much softer shot cycle with the lighter top hat. This gun has the plastic trigger blade, and I have to say that this trigger is great! Predictable first stage, and only a slight creep in the second stage letoff. It's good enough that I'm going to leave it alone.
The stock on the Fury, while appearing the same as the phantom, is not. The Fury is heavier, denser, and of a different design internally than the Phantom. It also has a longer forearm (to accomodate the longer compression tube), and a longer length of pull.
The Phantom I received from Crosman had been ridden hard and put away wet. The previous owner probably shot the hell out of it, and had the spring let go before the end of the warranty period. The gun has the original stock, barrel and compression tube. The piston, seals, spring, guides, sights and trigger group are all brand new. I have never seem a barrel so dirty. Crosman obviously does not clean the barrels before they resell them! After a little putzing around it has become an excellent shooter. If you want a project gun to practice and learn about lube-tunes, find a refurb.
btw I had a few springs lying around so I tried a few in the fury. Not much luck, poor or erratic velocities. Then I tried a spring from a Chinese B4 tune kit. It fit perfectly. 950 fps with 7.5 gr with a soft shot cycle and greatly reduced cocking effort. I don't understand. How can a spring give the same velocity as the factory spring with less cocking effort and a softer shot cycle? I would do the same to the Phantom, but the internals of the phantom are incompatible with that B4 spring.
One more question... These two guns are chinese copies of what two guns?
Rick.
I bought a refurb crosman fury a while ago. Gave it a lube tune and it shot real well until one day the spring failed. I looked on the crosman website and the fury does not have an exploded view for ordering springs and seals and the like. However, the phantom appeared to have the same internals as the fury, and parts are available. I also noticed that crosman had a refurb phantom with a scope for $59 so I ordered one. (I live in Thunder Bay, about 50k from the can-usa border. I order it to my usa shipping address and drive there and pick it up. Show 'em my pal at the Canadian side and everyone is happy.)
Well, I opened up the phantom yesterday. Totally different gun than the fury. ??? Not at all a match to the exploded view on the crosman site. 30mm tube on the fury. 34mm tube on the phantom. Compression tube on the fury is 25mm longer than the phantom. Internals of the fury match the exploded view on the crosman site for the phantom. The internals of the phantom in front of me are nothing like the exploded view on the crosman site.
The phantom has a plastic spring guide that looks like it came off my B3. It also has a stamped steel piston with a huge mother of a steel weight as a top hat. Short heavy spring. The first time I shot the thing it just about jumped out of my hands. I made a smaller top hat on my lathe and put it back together with a basic lube tune. Shot real well, but too slow now, chrono'd at about 600 fps with 7.5 gr. Rather than make a new heavier top hat, I thought I'd just add a few quarters ahead of the top hat until I got to the velocity I wanted (800 fps). At $1.25 CDN the velocity is right on 800 fps. Each time you add a quarter, it adds weight and a little more preload. The total weight of the smaller top hat and the quarters is probably half of the original top hat weight. Much softer shot cycle with the lighter top hat. This gun has the plastic trigger blade, and I have to say that this trigger is great! Predictable first stage, and only a slight creep in the second stage letoff. It's good enough that I'm going to leave it alone.
The stock on the Fury, while appearing the same as the phantom, is not. The Fury is heavier, denser, and of a different design internally than the Phantom. It also has a longer forearm (to accomodate the longer compression tube), and a longer length of pull.
The Phantom I received from Crosman had been ridden hard and put away wet. The previous owner probably shot the hell out of it, and had the spring let go before the end of the warranty period. The gun has the original stock, barrel and compression tube. The piston, seals, spring, guides, sights and trigger group are all brand new. I have never seem a barrel so dirty. Crosman obviously does not clean the barrels before they resell them! After a little putzing around it has become an excellent shooter. If you want a project gun to practice and learn about lube-tunes, find a refurb.
btw I had a few springs lying around so I tried a few in the fury. Not much luck, poor or erratic velocities. Then I tried a spring from a Chinese B4 tune kit. It fit perfectly. 950 fps with 7.5 gr with a soft shot cycle and greatly reduced cocking effort. I don't understand. How can a spring give the same velocity as the factory spring with less cocking effort and a softer shot cycle? I would do the same to the Phantom, but the internals of the phantom are incompatible with that B4 spring.
One more question... These two guns are chinese copies of what two guns?
Rick.
