The Goods on the CZ-858...

SeamusMac

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My minor's lisence will soon be coming back in the mail and I'm looking towards a CZ-858. There have been countless threads on CZ/VZ's but most of them seem to have turned into bashing fests arguing over who's toy is better. I'd like some owner's opinions on their CZ-858's and if they've had any problems or suprising successes with their rifles. Any links to CZ-858 information pages (in English please :p ) would be appreciated as well, most of what I can find is identical blurbs on the rifle for sale purposes. Whos got the best deal going anyways? Thanks!
 
It's a very good rifle. It's light and handy and shoots very well, I can find no downside to the CZ 858 apart from the finish of the resin stocks which in my opinion just looks unfinished. The material of the stocks is extreemy strong and for military purposes is probably a good choice. I have carefully sanded mine down to remove all the imperfections and given it four coats of True Oil, it came up much better that I had expected and now looks very refined.
 
Thanks for the reassurance as well as the first reply. I've seen several CZ's with "faux synthetic" stocks, that is the original furniture covered in truck bed liner from a rattle can, which looks great I think. I have seen much in the way of aftermarket parts for the CZ however.
 
I love my CZ. It is light, comfy, and stone reliable. The only thing I had a problem with was that the stock hit my cheekbone when shooting. I cured this by moving my head towards the rear of the stock when shooting.

I love the fact it can be loaded by stripper clips too. If one day the laws change so you don't need neutered mags, I will love it even more. The accuracy easily beats any sks I have shot as well. Cleaning is a piece of cake too, which needs to be done frequently when using corrosive ammo.
 
I've heard other people mention the stock coming back to hit them in the cheek, I've never held and fired one myself, but I'm guessing its no biggy. Could anyone give me an idea of the accuracy of the CZ for an average shooter?
 
That does sound pretty decent! I'm quite excited about getting the rifle, even if I won't have it in my hands for several months. I'm wondering how the stock and grips attach? Pictures would be excellent.
 
SeamusMac said:
Thanks for the reassurance as well as the first reply. I've seen several CZ's with "faux synthetic" stocks, that is the original furniture covered in truck bed liner from a rattle can, which looks great I think. I have seen much in the way of aftermarket parts for the CZ however.
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I was going to give mine the bed liner treatment at first, I went to crappy tire and bought a can of the stuff. I started to prepare the stockand after I had removed the majority of the imperfections, I found that I could get a real good finish on it with little effort using fine sandpaper. I decided to give it a coat of true oil just to see how it would turn out. I stained it first with water based stain as I lost some of the colour sanding it down. Well it turned out great, it looks real classy and feels like glass.

Want to buy a can of truck bed liner ?
 
SeamusMac said:
That does sound pretty decent! I'm quite excited about getting the rifle, even if I won't have it in my hands for several months. I'm wondering how the stock and grips attach? Pictures would be excellent.
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The stock is held to the reciever with a BIG screw that is accesible when the but plate is removed. You will need to make a big T bar screwdriver to shift it, least that's what I had to do, it's on there tight. The hand grip is held on with a screw through the base. The lower hand guard is retained by a pin at the rear which taps out very easily. Nothing complex about anything with this rifle.
 
I used the Canadian Tire spray bedliner and plan to give it a Canadian Tire camo pant finish later. I added a rail for a vert grip and wow sweet. I loved this rifle so much I sold my AR. Ya I know, but before I get bashed (I bought a stripped lower to build another) this is cheaper to shoot and fun as hell. Plus I can take it anywhere. I was even hitting the 600m gong (IPSC Target) 3 out of 5 rounds. I can send pics via email of my rifle if anyone wants to see the paint and vert grip if you want or if someone wants to host a pic...:D
 
Shooch's rifle

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Hey Luqid .. that gun of yours looks great!! Can I ask you where you are getting the custom rails from? Is there a website? Do you plan on mounting a scope/red dot on the top hand guard?

Just curious ....
 
Could someone just buy a rail then maybe sink a tapped metal block into the existing stock so you could screw the rail directly into the stock? I think it looks great! I'm guessing you can do some fun hip shooting with the that beats haha.
 
CZ-858 Tactical 2 Range Reports

Seamus, I posted this on another forum (http://rootcellars.com/nlgunclubforum/index.php) and thought it might interest you. I am very impressed with this handy carbine. As for the cheapo press board look stocks, they really grew on me after I saw them up close. Sort of fit the whole feel of the rough and ready Soviet style rifle. I don't plan on touching them though I do have a folding stock on order. I think you will enjoy your rifle if you buy one. Note the longer barrel version is actual legal for hunting (all provinces, I would think) and would probably be quite fine for deer. Regards,
DeeD


RANGE REPORT
I see a few of the forum members have acquired the CZ-858 Tactical 2 (see pics in the pics topic). Having lately received one myself, I am wondering how the rest of you are liking them.

For those interested, there appear to be 2 very similar versions on the Canadian market. One is Restricted (VZ-858) because of barrel length while the other is non-restricted (CZ-858-2) as it has a longer barrel. The restricted version appears to be imported by Marstar (www.marstar.ca) while the other is imported by Wolverine Supplies (http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/). Both are chambered for the standard Warsaw Pact 7.62x39mm.

My version is the non-restricted which is made by Cseska Zbrojovka in Czechoslovakia. It arrived from Wolverine in sterling shape complete with full military style kit and a nice CZ manual. After a couple of trips to the range, I must admit I am a little surprised and more than pleased with this fine little carbine. The rifle seems fairly simple and rugged. The appearance is a little rough but it feels like a rifle that is meant to be used.

Today at the range I expended 30 rounds of Czech surplus M43 Ball while testing the iron sight setup as it came from the factory. The graduated rear leaf setup can be adjusted in increments to 800+ yards (can't remember exactly and it's locked in the cabinet now). I set the sights at the 100 yard increment and tried a couple of bench rest shots at 25 yards to make sure it was close. The rounds placed well for windage but quite low. I then aimed at 100 yards on a sight in target and missed the paper. Darn!

After a few deep breaths, I sized up how I was sighting and figured I hadn't levelled the hooded front post to the top of the rear leaf. Taking my time I squeezed off another round. This time I printed on the paper about 3 inches below the bull. Things were looking up. Still taking my time I tried again and broke the X ring in the bullseye!

Now I don't know about the rest of you, but I am pleased when I put a few near the bull using my scoped hunting iron. I'm a lot out of practice on iron sights and was starting to be really impressed by this rifle. After another 2 shots placed within 2 inches of the bull I figured there wasn't anything wrong with the sights and any further misses would be due to you-know-who.

I tried a good many more rounds at other 'targets of opportunity' including clay pigeons and blocks of wood at various ranges with equal success. This rifle appears to be quite a shooter. Heat build up didn't seem to be a large problem but the frigid temperature no doubt helped. As I was using corrosive surplus ammo, I cleaned it in the clubhouse right after leaving the range and found dissasembly to be quite easy and quick despite having forgotten the manual (the was the first field strip I had done on it).

All in all, a great outing to the range that promises to be followed by many more..

Further note on the two models of this rifle: The shorter restricted version advertises a chrome lined barrel instead of the standard steel for my non-restricted. I would appreciate any comments on what difference this may make in the long run.

How are the rest of you finding yours?
 
Well I'm still awaiting the day I can order mine but I think I can shed some light on the differences between the barrels. Chrome, as you probably know doesn't rust, so thats one less part of the rifle you have to worry about preventing rust spots on. I have heard that a chromed barrel will reduce accuracy a very very small amount, but it isn't even noticable on a rifle like the VZ or CZ.
 
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