The Great 7MM Rem Mag Ballistic Experiment.

chuck nelson

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Well maybe great is a bit of a stretch at the risk of causing a stroke somewhere.

A few months ago I picked up a 375 Ruger (subsequently replacing it with a H&H) so decided I didn't need a 338 WM. I've always had a soft spot for the 7mm Rem Mag. My dad used one, in a Remington 700 ADL, as his only big game rifle for over 30 years. I've owned them and have had custom rifles chambered for the round.

A year or so ago my dad drug a Model 70 take off barrel out of his basement. He figured it was mine, it was, and it turned out to be an unfired 7mm RM barrel that I had pulled for the action and a custom Leeper build 15 years ago. So with that barrel handy I figured a 338 to a 7mm of some sort was in the cards. Because of magazine restraints and this particular receiver not ejecting cartridges properly with the longer box the long 7's were out. That left the WBY and RM and the RM won out. I'm getting to a stage in life where the ability to buy cartridges in town is a comforting option if needed.

Now we all know the horror stories associated with the RM and pressure. Things like pressure spikes, difficulty getting published velocities etc. All factory rifles, including my dad's that I have worked with seem to suffer this malady. At least in my experience. With customs some seem to side step the issue. Then there is the extra velocity the WBY gets. This despite a case capacity difference that is negligible. The throat has to be the culprit.

The great Remington Magnum has a very short SAAMI throat. I have always thought this odd as the rifle it was introduced in has a magazine box longer than the current male presidential candidates comb over. The last fifteen years have also seen short throats become absolutely necessary in custom rifles. Especially if you are going to showcase these builds on the Internet. In my experience, with custom chambers and good minimal diameter throats this is a bit of a tidal wave in a tin cup scenario. But whatever.

With this in mind, I called Bill Leeper, begged him out of retirement and sent him the pieces asking him to install the barrel, and cut a throat longer than bullet diameter. I think .288 ish. With this throat, I could reach the lands with some bullets and others would need binoculars to locate them. It turns out the barrel needed to be set back enough that the chamber needed a complete recut. Excellent. The Barnes 145 LRX is diminutive in ogive so would need to jump a country mile. Perfect. I have found that this bullet likes being away from the lands. A long way away. I also find, with it's long bearing surface, it compares pressure wise to most 150 gr bullets.

As a happy fluke, this barrel fouls less than any barrel I think I have owned. And that has been a lot. Most of them custom barrels.

Here are the results. And by all indications is not breaking a sweat yet.



 
People talk about the pressure issues, but I have not seen them in my two 7mm RM - but they both have long throats. I never gave this any consideration regarding the pressure spikes I see people talk about on the internet. I purchased a bunch of RL26 and hope to close in on 3000 with 175's.
 
I like what I am seeing here, Chuck. I have a lightly used 1975 issue M700 in 7mm Rem Mag, but it has a moderate length throat.

Very accurate, and easily reaches 3050 with the 160 grain Partition and Norma MRP. I believe I could go up at least one
more grain, but it shoots very favorable groups where it is at. [1.8" at 300 yards.] so I will just stay there.

I have not tried the 145 LRX, but have quite a few, so will see how they act. How far away from the lands are you seating yours?

Regards, Dave.
 
Dave, I'm not sure on this one yet. I just seated to fit the box, but I will check it out today. But in other rifles I have seated them a LONG way off. The further the better almost.
 
More room for powder.
Then again at 67gr there is still room for more ker-pow fluid.

You need to carefully work up to that charge - as I am sure he did, being an experienced reloader - as it is a very stout charge.
 
Does it make a difference? I know a bullet seated into the lands can lead to an unintentional increase in pressure, but seated off the lands, does it matter how far wrt pressure? What are you using to measure this pressure difference?
 
I see. So adding freebore/throat adds case capacity in the heavy long bullets and lets you run the lighter bullets with less pressure. All is good assuming you get good accuracy with this freebore which is what your pics are showing.
 
Interesting, I would have thought decreasing the case capacity with the bullet would increase pressure.

It does, but the increased jump to lands has the opposite effect. When two things are pulling in opposite directions one will win out. With a bottle necked rifle case the increased jump and the pressure drop will come out on top. On a straight cased rifle or pistol cartridge deep seating can put the pressure through the stratosphere.
 
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