Just wondering what people's opinions are on the Hakim. I rarely see them in good condition, never see them shot, and hear nothing about them. What's the deal, just uncommon? I've heard they're hell on brass, this true? I've looked around on here and on google, but info is sadly lacking. Only surplus rifle has any amount of detail on them, basically amount to "they're rare". Anyone out there have a hakim that they'd like to share about?
The Hakim
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Pretty much the same as the Swede Ag-42B, with a few minor differences.
I've handled one at the range, but its owner had no mag or ammo for it.
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Hakim Rifle
I've handled one at the range, but its owner had no mag or ammo for it.
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Hakim Rifle
I have a shooter and one or two "others". They are more or less an 8mm version of the Swedish semi 6.5. They were maybe a bit less well-finished. The one I shoot has a "muzzle brake". At the very end, there is a little sort of valve that you can unscrew. The Hakim, with the doohinkey screwed in is very loud and if you are standing behind a shooter, you can feel the blast and hear the sharp report. If you take the doohinkey out, the backward blast doesn't happen. They are fun to shoot and come originally with an evil, high capacity 10 shot magazine. I usually only shoot surplus, and I can't recall if it is hard on brass or not. They are a big, heavy rifle, but what I would call a real rifle. If you are not familiar with how the action works, you may learn really fast and hard. If you ever do run across one, ask for the owner/seller to show you how it works before mucking with it.
I have one and it shoots very well. Can't recall if it's hard on brass cause I just used to shoot surplus 8mm. I had no issues with it - functioned without problem. Never adjusted the gas valve. Mechanically simple and reliable. Recoil is VERY mild and I like the sights (same as Swed AG42b). For me it is one of my favourite semi-auto full power cartridge rifles because the recoil is very tame. Can't recall about loudness of blast because I always wear ear protection - but it does have a muzzle brake of sorts on it. If 8mm surplus is ever available cheap again, like in the U.S., this would be a fantastic rifle to have.
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It is a very interesting rifle.
It has a gas adjusting valve to make it work with about any 8mm Mauser ammo, which can be useful.
Note: just be careful with Turkish ammo: some may be loaded with a powder of too-slow burning characteristics, making for too high remaining pressure at the time of opening, which can lead to a blown case releasing gas inside the mag, ballooning the mag and cracking the wood around it.
The Hakim sports one of the best and smoothest triggers of them all, just like its father, the Ljungmann. Part of its accuracy comes from it. I suspect the direct gas impingement system is also creditable for the absence of lateral torque on the barrel, another reason of the Hakim's good shooting manners.
If only they had designed the safety block with an adjustable peep sight instead of a mid-rifle tangent sight, I think they would have had a real winner.
Other than that, the Hakim has a very effective (and very loud) muzzle brake (ever shot an 8mm rifle with SKS recoil?) with a removable front part.
This is great for cleaning the brake's innards but I suspect it has more to do with ease of replacement of said part, which displays lateral ports and can be distorted if the rifle is dropped hard on its muzzle.
I once bought a rifle afflicted with exactly that problem. One of my friends, a very good machinist, made one perfect replica for it. Not an easy enterprise but it fitted better than the original part; the only way to tell the difference was that it didn't have the Maadi arsenal's punch on it.
PP.
It has a gas adjusting valve to make it work with about any 8mm Mauser ammo, which can be useful.
Note: just be careful with Turkish ammo: some may be loaded with a powder of too-slow burning characteristics, making for too high remaining pressure at the time of opening, which can lead to a blown case releasing gas inside the mag, ballooning the mag and cracking the wood around it.
The Hakim sports one of the best and smoothest triggers of them all, just like its father, the Ljungmann. Part of its accuracy comes from it. I suspect the direct gas impingement system is also creditable for the absence of lateral torque on the barrel, another reason of the Hakim's good shooting manners.
If only they had designed the safety block with an adjustable peep sight instead of a mid-rifle tangent sight, I think they would have had a real winner.
Other than that, the Hakim has a very effective (and very loud) muzzle brake (ever shot an 8mm rifle with SKS recoil?) with a removable front part.
This is great for cleaning the brake's innards but I suspect it has more to do with ease of replacement of said part, which displays lateral ports and can be distorted if the rifle is dropped hard on its muzzle.
I once bought a rifle afflicted with exactly that problem. One of my friends, a very good machinist, made one perfect replica for it. Not an easy enterprise but it fitted better than the original part; the only way to tell the difference was that it didn't have the Maadi arsenal's punch on it.
PP.
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Fortunately I picked one up cheap a coupla' years ago in pristine condition. As mentioned by others, recoil is definitely soft for 8mm with max loads. A combination of the rifle's weight and muzzle brake doing their thing. Maybe a tad heavy but nicely balanced. Quite an accurate old beast as well.
Still plan to pick up a bsquare mount and LER scope for the old girl to see what see can really do. This conversion only replaces the rear sight without damage so it can be put back to original, problem is that it is out of production....ebay I guess.
As far as brass damage, make sure to adjust gas port to minimum necessary for cycling as even so it does throw the brass about 30 - 40 ft out to your front right and some damage/loss is inevitable but this helps minimize damage (Yup, I'm reloading ) . Ensure the rubber cushion is on the brass deflector as well.
Make sure you understand the workings of the action before handling one as they are not straightforward and are very fond of chewing chunks out of fingers & thumbs when the bolt slams closed while the user is fiddling. ( This also really pisses off owners when someone else drops their nice Hakim on the ground/floor and then has to help clean up the blood & get the bandaids
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Also make sure the mag is soundly pinned to 5.
Yes the muzzle brake is extremely loud & hearling protection an absolute must. I always picture great hearing aid sales boon in Egypt when this rifle was put into service.
Thanks for getting me thinking, as mine needs a trip to the range soon.
Cheers
Jaguar / The County
Still plan to pick up a bsquare mount and LER scope for the old girl to see what see can really do. This conversion only replaces the rear sight without damage so it can be put back to original, problem is that it is out of production....ebay I guess.
As far as brass damage, make sure to adjust gas port to minimum necessary for cycling as even so it does throw the brass about 30 - 40 ft out to your front right and some damage/loss is inevitable but this helps minimize damage (Yup, I'm reloading ) . Ensure the rubber cushion is on the brass deflector as well.
Make sure you understand the workings of the action before handling one as they are not straightforward and are very fond of chewing chunks out of fingers & thumbs when the bolt slams closed while the user is fiddling. ( This also really pisses off owners when someone else drops their nice Hakim on the ground/floor and then has to help clean up the blood & get the bandaids
) Also make sure the mag is soundly pinned to 5.
Yes the muzzle brake is extremely loud & hearling protection an absolute must. I always picture great hearing aid sales boon in Egypt when this rifle was put into service.
Thanks for getting me thinking, as mine needs a trip to the range soon.
Cheers
Jaguar / The County
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I had one, very heavy and impressive firearm, it did bruise the brass and shooting it without earmuff was a mistake!!
I also had the bayonet for it...I imagine it will become a rarity, I read a few report on the net and they were all positive...maybe I should not have sold it...always that regrets feeling thing...
I also had the bayonet for it...I imagine it will become a rarity, I read a few report on the net and they were all positive...maybe I should not have sold it...always that regrets feeling thing...
I am an owner of one of these monsters as well. Once I figured out how to adjust the gas and to not take my thumbs off when working the action I have nothing but good things to say about it. I also own a Rasheed which when you look at, you can see the influence of the Hakim in the design of the Rasheed.
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To the best of my knowledge, the Egyptians only produced two rifles of their own, the Hakin, and the Rasheed; the Hakin was based on the best attributes of the Swedish AG 42b, and the Rasheed on the best of the AG 42 and the SKS. In both cases they did an excellent job. Both rifles are well made, quite accurate for their respective ranges, and easy to operate and shoot.
The Hakim is quite fun to shoot, having a very mild recoil. It can be a bit hard on brass, so you will need to fine tune the gas selector. Muzzle blast can be loud. The only real drawback to it is the weight. I wouldn't want to have to hump that around too long.
A perfect gun for the range; you can shoot it all day without beating yourself up.
The Hakim is quite fun to shoot, having a very mild recoil. It can be a bit hard on brass, so you will need to fine tune the gas selector. Muzzle blast can be loud. The only real drawback to it is the weight. I wouldn't want to have to hump that around too long.
A perfect gun for the range; you can shoot it all day without beating yourself up.
What about pricing? I've seen some with the muzzle breaks cut off (even though they're threaded?), other's full, some beautiful bluing with full wood others with the wood forward of the middle band cut. What would you guys suggest as a price to pay for a mechanically strong and good bored beater, or, a safe queen?
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So... in other words not much info on them.
Slightly off topic... I have a Beretta Hakim Trainer in .22 coming shortly, and do not have much info at all, other than it is 1955 production. Any info on these?
Slightly off topic... I have a Beretta Hakim Trainer in .22 coming shortly, and do not have much info at all, other than it is 1955 production. Any info on these?
