The Impulse Gun Buyer (New Rifle With Pictures)

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I am ready to declare myself an impulse gun buyer. This is the 4th time this year I walk into a hunting/sporting goods store with the intentions to buy just ammo, but walk out with a new rifle instead. I intended to blow $300 on .223, 7.62x39, and 7.62x51. Instead, I blew $300 on 130 rounds of 7.62x51, a box of .270win, 40 rounds of .223, and a 1935 Mosin Nagant (ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ*:・゚✧



The problem for me is, I walk into the store, and check out the guns they have on the shelf instead of just walking in, get what I want, then walk out. I need to learn to stop doing that. :rolleyes:





I wanted this gun so badly when I saw it all because of how old and badly beaten it is. Look at all the markings on this old war veteran that saw some heavy use and every scratch and ding tells a story that I wish I could know. I'm telling you, the pictures are making this gun look like its in better shape than what it is. :p



Its got a Hexagon receiver. Don't know if that's better or worse than the rounded receiver. The bolt cycles really well but the bayonet doesn't want to go on.



Here are the rifles proof markings for if any Mosin Guru wishes to tell me a thing or two about this gun. Only the box magazine and bayonet don't share the same numbers as the rest of the gun. Plus, If anyone knows what I should check on this gun before firing it, please let me know.



Is it just me, or does the front sight post look like its bent?



and finally, a picture of the bore. Its in pretty decent shape and looks like the rifle was re-crowned before selling. I won't be doing a range report for awhile since they did not have any 7.62x54R available at the store. ლ(ಠ益ಠ)ლ Sell the gun but not the ammo! But why? Na, they're a good store that I've been pretty much buying all my #### from. The stores name is Gone Fishing the Port Alberni branch. Thanks for checkin out my post. Anyone from Ucluelet or Tofino with a spare box of 7.62x54?
 
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That is a rather interesting rifle there. Originally built as a Model 1891/1930 rifle in 1935 at Izhevsk, right at the end of hex receiver production, it has been re-furbished but not modified. On its own, not one of the rare ones. But it is marked MO, which is the Soviet Ministry of Defence, and also had dates appended to the original stamping ('49 [?] and '50).

The MO was only formed in 1953, after the death of Premier Stalin, but all the dates are prior to this, so it's not exactly known how these variants came to be so marked. Maybe they were issued to units performing clean-up operations? Maybe they were used in post-War purges? Maybe they had been used to guard the facilities where Nazi captives and native traitors were worked to death? Maybe they belonged to super secret Spetznaz Suicide Squads, sent to Siberia to supervise Stalin's ### slaves? The last one, for sure.

The great majority of the scarce MO -marked rifles only have a second date; yours has a third.

The bayonet will be hard to attach (and even harder to detach); if you ever get a Mosin with a matching bayo, don't play the 6/49 because you've used up all your luck!
 
Nice rifle.
MO markings are rare and actually stand for in Russian for "Modernizirovanniye Oryzhie" or Modernized weapon in english. There are many theories regarding these markings as well as what they can mean. These can be found on few other weapons from USSR like Nagant 1895 revolvers as well as my TT33 1940;)
 
You shoulda asked them to get some x54r from the nanaimo store. They still have a little there

Oh and nice rifle, gotta love the history in guns like that.
 
A few things.

Bayonet is very tight because the bayonet was supposed to stay mounted nearly 24/7. Only dismounted for transport in ships/trucks.

Because of this, the front sight is given some windage adjustment due to the dynamics of the barrel with off mounted bayonet.
Normal MN will shoot slightly off centreline without bayonet attached, but this will be corrected with mounting of bayonet.

Make sure you clean rifle well, and if you get "sticky bolt" during fire, look up the fix for it. Iraqveteran on youtube has great tutorial for this.

Hex reciever is supposedly stronger than the round receivers.
 
With the markings underneath the gun, all I can imagine is a soviet troop, bracing the gun against a window, brick wall, or something, then firing at enemy troops. The marks on the sides of the gun, maybe from leaning against a wall and or smacking the barrel against the wall by accident since this gun is so damn big. The history is really the reason why I wanted it. The other one they have is in way better shape, a 1939. It was almost perfect. but I wanted this one because each mark tells a story.
 
MO markings are rare and actually stand for in Russian for "Modernizirovanniye Oryzhie" or Modernized weapon in english.

I know there's no satisfactory explanation for what these MO +extra date markings mean (which is why I threw up some clearly outlandish theories).

One of the best resources on the web (7.62x54r.net) still calls it a Ministry of Defence stamp. I can believe ‘modernized,’ but if that's what it means, how come any MOs I own or have examined appear to be no different from any other common examples? There are many, many re-furbs out there which have clearly been modernized (i.e., older models brought up to new specification), and they do not have such a marking.

What is the reason for the MO with *two* dates; two modernizations so close to each other?

It's a very scarce M91/30 in the OP. (I'd offer to buy it, but what would I do with yet another Mosin?)
 
I know there's no satisfactory explanation for what these MO +extra date markings mean (which is why I threw up some clearly outlandish theories).

One of the best resources on the web (7.62x54r.net) still calls it a Ministry of Defence stamp. I can believe ‘modernized,’ but if that's what it means, how come any MOs I own or have examined appear to be no different from any other common examples? There are many, many re-furbs out there which have clearly been modernized (i.e., older models brought up to new specification), and they do not have such a marking.

What is the reason for the MO with *two* dates; two modernizations so close to each other?

It's a very scarce M91/30 in the OP. (I'd offer to buy it, but what would I do with yet another Mosin?)

I was on that web site last night reading about MO marked firearms. The information on them isn't much but all information you look up, turns up they were used by some low end facility guards that couldn't afford the new toys. They also said the MO marked firearms have barrels in really good shape which this one is. I watched some Mosin shooting videos last night and really badly want to try it out but I don't have any ammo. :(

I don't want any corrosive ammo either. I got sick of cleaning corrosive ammo after the first crate load though my SKS. Still have 3 20 round boxes of corrosive 7.62x39 that I won't even touch and just keep using this MFS non-corrosive stuff I have. Its nice when it only takes 5 patches and 15 minutes to clean a gun rather than 2 hours and a whole pack of patches.
 
I know there's no satisfactory explanation for what these MO +extra date markings mean (which is why I threw up some clearly outlandish theories).

One of the best resources on the web (7.62x54r.net) still calls it a Ministry of Defence stamp. I can believe ‘modernized,’ but if that's what it means, how come any MOs I own or have examined appear to be no different from any other common examples? There are many, many re-furbs out there which have clearly been modernized (i.e., older models brought up to new specification), and they do not have such a marking.

What is the reason for the MO with *two* dates; two modernizations so close to each other?

It's a very scarce M91/30 in the OP. (I'd offer to buy it, but what would I do with yet another Mosin?)


54r.net is great resource, don't get me wrong, but they don't know everything. The russian forum on weapons guns.ru had big discussion going on these markings and almost all evidence points out that these markings are not Ministry of defence acceptance or use mark. Its still anyone's guess but, most likely its modernized weapon markings by some refurbishment facility or depot. As no records of these were found yet it may be even meaning Moscowsky Okrug which means Moscow's defense region??
 
I was on that web site last night reading about MO marked firearms. The information on them isn't much but all information you look up, turns up they were used by some low end facility guards that couldn't afford the new toys. They also said the MO marked firearms have barrels in really good shape which this one is. I watched some Mosin shooting videos last night and really badly want to try it out but I don't have any ammo. :(

I don't want any corrosive ammo either. I got sick of cleaning corrosive ammo after the first crate load though my SKS. Still have 3 20 round boxes of corrosive 7.62x39 that I won't even touch and just keep using this MFS non-corrosive stuff I have. Its nice when it only takes 5 patches and 15 minutes to clean a gun rather than 2 hours and a whole pack of patches.

mine see's lots of corrosive and it really isnt that bad to clean, the simplicity of the bolt action makes it no worse than non corosive really
 
I don't want any corrosive ammo either. I got sick of cleaning corrosive ammo after the first crate load though my SKS. Still have 3 20 round boxes of corrosive 7.62x39 that I won't even touch and just keep using this MFS non-corrosive stuff I have. Its nice when it only takes 5 patches and 15 minutes to clean a gun rather than 2 hours and a whole pack of patches.

Next time you plan to clean the SKS anyway, take the corrosive along and give it one last go before your cleaning.
 
Did you pick that up at Island Outfitters? And they have another? I've been looking for one of these on the island.
 
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