The Kriss Vector: thoughts, pictures & observations (range report added on post 26)

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The Kriss Vector: thoughts, pictures & observations (range report added on post 26)

I picked this restricted-length Kriss Vector in the EE this week. I'd hoped to shoot it this weekend but the weather has but the damper on that so i thought I'd take a few pictures and post my initial thoughts on the firearm—many of you are already familiar with the firearm but if, like me until recently, you're less familiar, then read on!

I was looking for something new in a Black Rifle--I've owned a bunch of ARs in numerous barrel lengths, as well as a couple of FS2000s and Tavors. I've been aware of the Kriss Vector for a few years and knew a bit about it and its unique recoil reduction system but I had not given them much thought. The other pistol-calibre carbines I'd tried left me a little unsatisfied with their "clunk-clunk" feel of the recoil, but the unique design of this one intrigued me, and the fact that it uses Glock 21 magazines meant that I already had five 10-round magazines for it. There are non-restricted versions as well, but since there's no Crown Land shooting in Nova Scotia and I do all my shooting on the range, the restricted one works fine for me—and I also like the handiness of the shorty barrel better. I know that a 5.56mm carbine makes more sense is a real-world shooting situation, but unless my life takes a dramatically unexpected turn, I'm only shooting paper! (and, within 50m there are far worse firearms than a.45ACP carbine to have).

The carbine is 24" long (with the stock unfolded) and weighs 5.6 lb so it's a chunky little beast. Mine came with a Tapco vertical foregrip that was mounted to the lower rail but the magwell is nicely grooved to be used as a fore-grip and that allows easier access to the magazine release while shooting.


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The trigger pull is fairly light but a little creepy and mushy—not a big deal since I don't imagine I'll be taking any 300m shots with it! The charging handle operates surprisingly stiffly, but from what I've read that's not uncommon.

The folding stock locks firmly open but does have just a little flex when snugging the carbine in tightly. The little swoop in the stock is to allow for ejection while the stock is folded.


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In the picture below, you can see the mag release above the grooved portion of the fore-grip, and above that the bolt release/hold open. Immediately below the "Kriss Vector" logo is the charging handle. I'm using a Trijicon RMR in an America Defence QR mount—I've used this sight on an FS2000 and a Tavor but its small size and light weight make it seem perfectly at home on the Vector. The 5.5" barrel is threaded for suppressor use in places that allow it.


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So far, nothing really out of the ordinary compared with other pistol-calibre carbines. But the pictures below starts to show the difference. The polymer upper and steel lower receivers can be separated by removing four pins. You can see the hammer with integral firing pin on the upper receiver about an inch to the left of the trigger guard—it's in the cocked position. It's "upside down" and pivots at its top.


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and here is the bolt and bolt carrier/breech block removed from the lower receiver.


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This shows the key to the recoil reduction (or more precisely, muzzle jump) system. As the bolt recoils rearward, its movement through the slanted grooved slots at the top of the bolt carrier force the bolt carrier downward in the lower receiver (through the section with the big "V" logo), counteracting (hopefully!) the muzzle jump. I had been under the impression that there were some pivoting parts within the mechanism but only two sliding parts that travel in straight lines, or "vectors" if you will. :) The placement of the barrel very low in the receiver should also help minimize muzzle rise.

Here's a close up of the bolt—the lugs on either side aren't locking lugs as this is a delayed-blowback firearm. They're used for positioning within the receiver's grooves.

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I've got a bunch of .45 ACP ammunition arriving next week so I'm hoping to get out to the range next weekend. I'll post my results then!
 
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Very cool - great details and AWESOME pictures as always! :)

The only time I've shot one of these was a full-auto one in Post Falls Idaho... now THAT was fun! Always wanted a NR model, but it's so dang goofy lookin... good job on getting the REAL one! ;)
 
I own one of the restricted models too. Definately a fun little toy. I see people say all the time that they can't feel a difference in the recoil, everyone I have let shoot mine has noticed it right off the bat.
 
Got to fire one in 9mm a while ago and found it to be rather uncomfortable to shoot.

After all, what can this thing do that another pistol-carbine can't?

Ergonomics suck, too, a lot. I'll stick with my MP5.
 
Got to fire one in 9mm a while ago and found it to be rather uncomfortable to shoot. After all, what can this thing do that another pistol-carbine can't? Ergonomics suck, too, a lot. I'll stick with my MP5.
Yeah, rub it in about the MP5 :)! We'd all have one here if we could! I didn't think that Vectors were made in 9mm--maybe just in Europe?
 
Yeah, rub it in about the MP5 :)! We'd all have one here if we could! I didn't think that Vectors were made in 9mm--maybe just in Europe?

well, about any other semiauto pistol caliber carbine is just as good.
With the Kriss you're stance and grip is really ####ty, because the design of the ergonomics is crap.

A futuristic look doesn't help with that at all.
And yes I have an MP5, so what?
 
Looking at your bottom picture, it looks like the extractor pin is working its way loose
you might want to check that
Holy crap--you're right! I just figured that how it went--everything's back in place now. I added a new picture showing how it looks.
 
I saw a video on you tube where the receiver cracked after firing some ordinary .45 following a very weird plume of smoke and explosion.
So that was it for me!
 
I saw a video on you tube where the receiver cracked after firing some ordinary .45 following a very weird plume of smoke and explosion.
So that was it for me!


So.....it broke under normal circumstances?

love your sig Line too.....is that why your trader rating is so high?
 
So.....it broke under normal circumstances?

love your sig Line too.....is that why your trader rating is so high?

As far as I can tell from the video yes, ordinary ammo. explosion, smoke, crack in the receiver next to one of the screws. When your receiver explodes, I guess a weird plume of smoke is normal circumstances...
Here's the video, gun explodes around 2:30, t's by the guys from Talking Lead: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVc8NNr155A

Given the price of that firearm, this is really worrisome! I would expect something like this from Chinese firearms...

Dangerous frigging gun and dangerous guy firing the gun also with him wagging that damn thing all over the place. In my opinion, both are crappy...

But hey if you're comfortable with an exploding gun, be my guest...
 
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I had both versions. Sold my NR, kept the R, then sold the R, then bought another R because I missed it

I like the design. My old R version saw well over 6000 rounds of various ammo including some particularly hot reloads.

I don't think the gun is prone to breaking despite what one video shows.....
 
But hey if you're comfortable with an exploding gun, be my guest...
it would be interesting to know what the cause was--it looked like an out-of-battery discharge maybe. While that video is a bit concerning I've seen lots of videos and pictures of other guns that have KB'ed--there are enough Vectors out there that if here was a systemic problem with them I'm thinking we'd have heard, especially given the US's litigious climate.

Keltec Sub-2000 is every bit as good, at a fraction of the price.
What interested me about the Kriss was its unique design and handy size. The Sub2000 (or the JR or the Thureon) did not really give me what I was interested in. I know the others have their fans but they're not for me. (The guns, that is; their owners are ok) :)
 
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