The legality of AA .50 Beowulf Magazines?

I didn't say the PCV mags wouldn't work with the Beowulf. I haven't tested them and I'm going to go on a limb and say that no one has... I could be wrong here, but I doubt it.

I stated that the NR mags do no work with Beowulf rounds. I have first had knowledge of this.

It all comes down to the intention of the manufacturer. NR and PCV produced their product with the intention of it being used to exploit a loophole in the system. Don't think for a second that the folks at the tech center aren't fully aware of this.
 
mikethebike said:
I'm not sure about that statement, a mag has to hold a cartridge to be a mag, it doesn't have to feed properly. So just holding a cartridge determines it's purpose, not feeding, since feeding requires another element to the legal equation, the firearm.
Since a mag is a legal entity without a firearm, therefore it does not need to successfully operate (feed) in a firearm to be a mag.
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In order for the mag to be deemed a "Beowulf" mag, you need to show that it is produced SOLELY for the Beowulf cartridge... If you present a .223 mag that doesn't even feed the Beowulf cartridge into a Beowulf upper, you're going to have a hard time convincing someone that it's not a .223 mag.

I really don't see how this concept is hard to grasp guys... The laws are dumb and we all agree. But you can't just dance around them as easily as some of you may think.

We need to tread lightly here like I've said numerous times. Now is not the time to test the powers that be.
 
BooSSted said:
In order for the mag to be deemed a "Beowulf" mag, you need to show that it is produced SOLELY for the Beowulf cartridge... If you present a .223 mag that doesn't even feed the Beowulf cartridge into a Beowulf upper, you're going to have a hard time convincing someone that it's not a .223 mag.

I really don't see how this concept is hard to grasp guys... The laws are dumb and we all agree. But you can't just dance around them as easily as some of you may think.

We need to tread lightly here like I've said numerous times. Now is not the time to test the powers that be.
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The laws are dumb, and I believe this is the time to challege these laws. The Conservatives have stated they are working on changes to firearms regulations. Time to push and demand an end to 5 round centrefire rifle limits which never had any impact on criminal use of longguns. Doubt they will drop restrictions on magazines entirely due to the scare tactics the anti's, Liberals and NDP would throw out to scare the public. That said raise the limit to at least 15 rounds allowing 3 gun and sport shooting to be run without countless 5 round mag changes. In our letter writing we need to demand this as one of the changes.
 
onetwentyish said:
Personally I think now is the time to test the powers that be. The RCMP has already overstepped thier boundries and if they do it anymore it will likely help our cause.
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I'm not so sure about that.
I'm not going to get into who's fault I think the recent prohibiting really is again but it's done and it doesn't look like any politicians are running to our aid. I don't think we have the support or the rights we think we do. We are fighting an uphill battle.

I do think we should fully exercise our rights while we have them but pushing the boundaries is probably not wise. The right way to go at this is to throw money at groups like the NFA and CSSA so they can fight for us in court. Far more will be accomplished legally than by simply pushing back and looking for loopholes around current laws.
 
I'm finally starting to fill in the gaps here and understand every angle of this. At the end of the day you probably wouldn't want to do a 15rd mag dump in front of an uneducated cop, but if you did you'd probably want to have the AA mag and not the PCV.


So basically the whole thing is a standstill until AA decides to make a crap ton for the Canadian market and a Canadian company is willing to import them or C-Products makes 1:1 copy of the original.


Apparently .50 Beowulf isn't a trademark because the PCV guys are stamping them on their mags. Must be some fair use thing under SAMMI. Can't see why C-Products or some other company can't make 1:1 copies.
 
I wouldn't want to be caught using any .223 in a beo mag at all. The RCMP bulliton says semi automatic HANDGUNS. And I'm willing to bet that will be used against anyone caught using one. Just my opinion though. I had a PCV mag ordered. Then realized I could just buy 3 lar's from my LGS for pretty much the same price. 4 or 5 extra rounds isn't worth the extra cash and worrying if I'm braking the law.

Just my opinion!
 
Back to the point of if it was supremely illegal, why isn't the manufacturer and everyone involved in making PVC mags in jail, since they are manufacturing and selling a prohibited device. Same thing as manufacturing and selling a full auto ak47...
 
There really is no concrete answer since Canadian firearms law is so open ended it can be interpreted differently depending on who you ask.

Just owning a firearm is a crime so who really cares anymore. Whether it is legal or not is up to "interpretation" by the individual officer you happen to run into. You are then guilty until proven innocent, on your dime. Use your mags and roll the dice, welcome to Canada.
 
J996 said:
There really is no concrete answer since Canadian firearms law is so open ended it can be interpreted differently depending on who you ask.

Just owning a firearm is a crime so who really cares anymore. Whether it is legal or not is up to "interpretation" by the individual officer you happen to run into. You are then guilty until proven innocent, on your dime. Use your mags and roll the dice, welcome to Canada.
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Pretty much!
 
mikethebike said:
Back to the point of if it was supremely illegal, why isn't the manufacturer and everyone involved in making PVC mags in jail, since they are manufacturing and selling a prohibited device. Same thing as manufacturing and selling a full auto ak47...
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While that's pretty much the end game argument for PCV, it is still a valid one. Manufacturing a prohibited device is, well manufacturing a prohibited device. Same as making switchblades and straight up selling no rivet mags. I feel like if there was absolutely no ground to stand on with these that the RCMP would have kicked in doors a long time ago.
 
mini15 said:
While that's pretty much the end game argument for PCV, it is still a valid one. Manufacturing a prohibited device is, well manufacturing a prohibited device. Same as making switchblades and straight up selling no rivet mags. I feel like if there was absolutely no ground to stand on with these that the RCMP would have kicked in doors a long time ago.
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I know a couple of "punk" store selling spiked wristband (prohibited weapons) which continue to operate. The law has is it for these is pretty much to let go until it can be used to add to the conviction list of someone who appeared on the radar of LEOs.
 
Yes... It holds them, but they don't feed them worth a damn. Kinda funny when you can't use a magazine with the calibre that it was "Designed" to work for.... :rolleyes:
 
Okay without sounding like a goof here I always thought "intent" plays into borderline things like this.

So I get the letter of the law thing, and I get having one of those Beowulf .50s rifles with mags for it, what I don't get is what if you have the .50 mag and no Beowulf .50 rifle and only a 5.56 AR?

So is there intent here in the eyes of a Judge?

Just sayin...

R
 
In all cases, it does not answer OP question but should you elect to use your AR-15 with LAR-15 or .50 Beo mags, your minimum protection is to have with you a printed copy of the Special Bulletin # 72.
Article 4 should cover you azz. Article 5 does similar for handguns when stuffing more than 10 9mm rounds in your .40 mags.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm

Remember, Jesus loves you but Lieberals and zombies are out there to get you... :cool:
 
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