The Mosin Nagant M91/38

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Hello all,

I am very curious of this carbine... apparently they were M38's and M44's that were manufactured from cut down and modified M91 rifles. I have been looking around for one for a while to add to my collection, and have not encountered any to date. I would like to ask any members here who have one to post pictures, and comments. Let us get an informational discussion on this little-known variant of the Mosin family going here!

Why would the Russians would go to the length of cutting down old rifles and putting them into new wood for so-called reserve rifles? Merely to use up old stock and because it might have been cheaper? Any other theories? Unlike the Finns who reused old Tsarist era receivers but manufactured new barrels, these M91/38's seem to have just had the barrels shortened, rear sites modified, and a globe type front site put on.

Let the discussions begin!

Remember, if you have one, share pictures of your "lady"!

Yours,
Drachenblut
 
It wasn't the russians, it was other smaller soviet bloc countries (czhek, bulgaria, etc). My guess would be just to conform to the "new" standard which would have been the m44. Btw good luck with your search, I have never seen a 91/38 only 91/59.
 
skirsons said:
I think Claven also had one that he sold.
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You're not quite ready for your Sherlock Holmes hat and pipe....

He sold it to me. It was humourous in that we bid against each other on a Valleyguns Auction (a few years ago when they were good), and when we found out, I agreed to let him win and he'd give me first right of refusal if/when he sold it. I have a M91/59 and wanted its older cousin.
 
There is an image of me firing mine at the EOHC Milsurp shoot in Sept at:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=502352&page=5

I'm in the grey hoodie with the yellow ear defenders.

Breech is marked 1905. All the stamps on it indicate it was likely sold to the Czech's.
 
- The bulk of the czech 91/38's ended up in the USA, I have handle only a couple myself at the shop.

- The ones we got in quantity were the 91/59's, but no one is sure who really built these (might be Russian or an another soviet block country).
 
LOL.

FWIW, I've only ever seen TWO of these in Canada and I was a pretty serious mosin collector for a few years ;)

Easiest route would probably be to have one imported, but it would be $$$.
 
OK, quick reply is that some of the stamps on my rifle are present here:

http://mosinnagant.net/USSR/mosin_nagant_markings.asp

Very top right hand side, Ishevek M91 stamp is on the breech, even same year (1905)

Seventh row, Left column, Ishevik Bow and Arrow, pre-1928;

Fifteenth row, Right column, Czech M91/38 cut down from M91
Receiver, specifically the very top one in the image (looks like an Eagle)

All these stamps (plus others) are present on the rifle.

Neither it nor the 1943 Finnish are presently for sale. I have this shiny new case of Czech steel core ammo to shoot...

If you want pictures of my sample, that might take a bit longer. I have to snag my wife's digital camera.



SOmeone at the September shoot did see it fairly close up, right after he lent me a screwdriver (of sorts) to tighten the screw. Shot better after that too...
 
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It is nice to see this discussion taking off. A beautiful M91/38 Andy. I am glad that there are people who appreciate their value as historical pieces. Someday I would love to own one.
 
Drachenblut said:
Hello all,

I am very curious of this carbine... apparently they were M38's and M44's that were manufactured from cut down and modified M91 rifles.
Yours,
Drachenblut
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Original M38 were never made from M91,because diameter of the barrel of M38 bigger then M91.

This is my M38 made in 1942,with original M38 war time sling

 
stormbringer said:
Actually you linked to pics on another site.

That is not the same as posting pics.
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In my very biased opinion every CGN milsurp collector/shooter should also be a member at milsurps.com for the articles and picture montages alone - fewer places have better milsurp gun #### ;)

YMMV
 
I bought an M38 off a friend back in '91 and used her for biggame hunting until last fall. Took her out of the closet Feb. past and her barrel had turned black, nothing,even electrolisis would make her usable again. She wasn't counter-bored after they cut her off and you could see where they whittled down the stock to make it fit, crude workmanship but it worked. She was a '42 and if memory serves she was an Izzy. I bought a Polish M44 to replace her but it just don't feel the same, if I came across another M38 I'd buy it in a heartbeat.Cheers.
 
Claven2 said:
In my very biased opinion every CGN milsurp collector/shooter should also be a member at milsurps.com for the articles and picture montages alone - fewer places have better milsurp gun #### ;)

YMMV
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agreed - I am currently working on an article for the library myself!
 
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