The only blessing from Communism: K98 captured rifles.

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I wonder how will look our world of collectors if Communists from Yugoslavia and Soviet Union does not preserve German guns.
What was going with German guns captured by Americans, British, French and with rifles left in Germany?
 
I wonder how will look our world of collectors if Communists from Yugoslavia and Soviet Union does not preserve German guns.
What was going with German guns captured by Americans, British, French and with rifles left in Germany?

Either sold or destroyed, or sent as aid/used by other nations in their militaries. Same things the Soviets did.

Where do you think all the sporters and all matching examples came from?
 
Our Allies sold, bartered, and gave firearms to third world countries to acquire allegiances in natural resources and government influence.
In most places in the world your best friends are the ones you can buy easily. Thats not going to work for the liberals next time around but you know they will still try.
 
French used a lot of german equipment in the Indochina war. Also used the K-98 rifles for training well into the 1960's and even beyond.
 
Norway also adopted the German manual of arms and actively used K98k rifles until the 1980's. Both in 8mm and converted to .30-06 in the hundreds of thousands. As I understand it, they inherited and acquired over 300,000 K98k post-war and scrapped the late war rifles for parts, keeping the better 1943 and earlier rifles going for decades.

They were not alone.

Yugoslavia built M48 rifles that were very similar to the K98k, but these new rifles largely remained in storage as war reserve, while the Yugoslav army used and abused hundreds of thousands of refurbished K98k rifles for decades.

Someone pointed out the French - France used almost nothing but K98k rifles from the end of the war until the late 1940's when they started producing semi-autos in quantity. They then sent their 8mm bolt actions to their colonial forces in places like Vietnam where they were used until unserviceable, then scrapped.

Lots and lots of rifles were also stored in outdoor allied arms caches during the war years and just got melted down during the war to recover the steel or after the war for the same reasons.
 
French used a lot of german equipment in the Indochina war. Also used the K-98 rifles for training well into the 1960's and even beyond.

It was good for us that Soviet does not offer WW2 guns to Third World client States. Instead they preserved German and obsolete Soviet guns to have for local Partizan guerillas if Soviet Union will be overun by the West.
 
Ironically, a large number of Nazi K98 rifles were supplied to Israel for their new army, where most were converted to 7.62 calibre, and used to good effect to keep the country safe from their Muslim neighbours..
 
Ironically, a large number of Nazi K98 rifles were supplied to Israel for their new army, where most were converted to 7.62 calibre, and used to good effect to keep the country safe from their Muslim neighbours..

Was supplied by Czeckoslovacia not by the West. Still I wonder where are the k98 left in West Germany?
 
It was good for us that Soviet does not offer WW2 guns to Third World client States. Instead they preserved German and obsolete Soviet guns to have for local Partizan guerillas if Soviet Union will be overun by the West.

Actually, they DID give those guns to other countries in large numbers. The Viet-Kong and north Korens, for example, received K98k rifles, as did several resistance groups in Africa and South America in the 1950's and 1960's. Generally though, they more often gave out Mosins because they had ammo in larger quantities to go with those guns.
 
Russian gift to the West was immense sacrificial losses in tying up and defeating the Germans, while our countries were building up capacity. Communist incompetence increased the toll.
Salvaged mixmaster K98 rifles are just so much recycled junk.
 
Didnt they just resently mealt a large weapons cash down, for steel in construction of a chruch.. in the eastern block i think ... just melted make to raw steel........

There was a bit of controversy over that and one of the mainstream media outlets did an interview with the people melting down the firearms.

They showed several different crates of handguns, machineguns etc. They claimed these firearms were at the junk end of the grades in storage.

They purposely melted down specific firearms, purportedly used by German troops, as a symbol of victory over the AXIS forces and to commemorate that victory by casting steps for a Russian Orthodox church.

Lots of cheaper pig iron around, that would likely be better for the application.
 
There was a bit of controversy over that and one of the mainstream media outlets did an interview with the people melting down the firearms.

They showed several different crates of handguns, machineguns etc. They claimed these firearms were at the junk end of the grades in storage.

They purposely melted down specific firearms, purportedly used by German troops, as a symbol of victory over the AXIS forces and to commemorate that victory by casting steps for a Russian Orthodox church.

Lots of cheaper pig iron around, that would likely be better for the application.

Its all publicity stunt.
They have within Kremlin walls a whole battery of Napoleonic era cannons Russia captured during 1812. Sitting in rows by the thousands. There is enough iron to make a Titanic out of them.
Its just serves no purpose to touch 1812 junk, yet instead just to stir the pot they melted some stuff made by Nazis.
 
Its all publicity stunt.
They have within Kremlin walls a whole battery of Napoleonic era cannons Russia captured during 1812. Sitting in rows by the thousands. There is enough iron to make a Titanic out of them.
Its just serves no purpose to touch 1812 junk, yet instead just to stir the pot they melted some stuff made by Nazis.

its the symbolism. In Havana Cuba at one of their outdoor museums. The one with Castros boat. They have cast toy soldiers and blobs of metal made from Spanish cannons left after one of the civil wars in the 1890's. Unlike Napoleonic cannons K98's don't up as well to weather and the memory is still in living memory for the populace. Melting down the tools of those who impacted a nation so deeply is a very fair thing to do in my mind.....likewise Stalin should be taken from his tomb and tossed in a ditch like the millions to whom he did the same.
 
In the 1950's Schultz & Larsen in Denmark re-barrelled K98's and made target rifles. Calibre was 6.5 x 55 Swedish. Heavy barrel, peep sights and a very light trigger. These were found to be more accurate than the ones made by the Carl Gustof factory in Sweden.
 
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its the symbolism. In Havana Cuba at one of their outdoor museums. The one with Castros boat. They have cast toy soldiers and blobs of metal made from Spanish cannons left after one of the civil wars in the 1890's. Unlike Napoleonic cannons K98's don't up as well to weather and the memory is still in living memory for the populace. Melting down the tools of those who impacted a nation so deeply is a very fair thing to do in my mind.....likewise Stalin should be taken from his tomb and tossed in a ditch like the millions to whom he did the same.

You got that right.
 
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