The Sig Sauer P320 has been selected by the US Army to replace the Beretta M92 (M9)

Classic case of design by committee and also of catering to the lowest common denominator.

Did Glock have to incorporate a manual safety also in their submission? If not, may be why they lost? Just speculating.

Definitely lots of details the public doesn't know about. Would be a real long and interesting read if we could get a copy of the testing and reports.
 
Sorry to pass on the news. Comes from some personal contacts. Most probably don't know that CAG originally started with the Glock 22 in 40....many many years ago...during the failed STI 40 cal 1911 experiment.
SOCOM, Navy (& MARSOC) + non-SOCOM Army SF Units included will continue with the Glock for quite a while. This transition will not happen quickly. + Navy will keep HK's in 45 for specific capabilities / missions (Sig P226's still remain in inventory
and are used as well as Glock 19's).

Rich

A while back I passed on info that the RCMP had purchased Glock 19's for the Air Marshals. Again several people on gunnutz didn't believe (or want to believe it) but yes it was accurate. There are other sources of information rather than just open searches on the internet.
 
So if the US Army goes with the slide mounted safety then they really haven't progressed at all.


And you would be an expert in the needs of the US Army.....how? You spent how many years in the Military studying their training requirements when? I suspect the only basis for your comment would be your Gen 4 Glock doesn't have a frame mounted safety.

Take Care

Bob
 
And you would be an expert in the needs of the US Army.....how? You spent how many years in the Military studying their training requirements when? I suspect the only basis for your comment would be your Gen 4 Glock doesn't have a frame mounted safety.

Take Care

Bob

They're third gen Glocks Bob, get it right. Manual safeties are a dumb idea that is not necessary. If the gun is out of the holster then it's in use and a straight finger and muzzle discipline are adequate. If the pistol is in the holster then the trigger is protected and no need to concern yourself with a mechanical safety. It's a crutch carried over from decades of older and inferior designs.
 
They're third gen Glocks Bob, get it right. Manual safeties are a dumb idea that is not necessary. If the gun is out of the holster then it's in use and a straight finger and muzzle discipline are adequate. If the pistol is in the holster then the trigger is protected and no need to concern yourself with a mechanical safety. It's a crutch carried over from decades of older and inferior designs.

I am inclined to agree with this statement...not sure an external safety is really necessary...but they will have one if they want one..
 
They're third gen Glocks Bob, get it right. Manual safeties are a dumb idea that is not necessary. If the gun is out of the holster then it's in use and a straight finger and muzzle discipline are adequate. If the pistol is in the holster then the trigger is protected and no need to concern yourself with a mechanical safety. It's a crutch carried over from decades of older and inferior designs.

for arguments sake, yes... the gun comes out when you need it to kill someone...... and a safety is useless at that point....


However these guns will be used outside of combat.... in the hands of - at the lowest point - high school dropouts....

Military doctrine may be backwards for the armchair warriors around here, but the army can teach anyone.... and I mean anyone.... if that means hold it in your right hand... at waist height.. pointed downrange.... WAIT FOR THE WORD OF COMMAND!!!!!..... now activate the safety with your left hand... ..... ..... ....

even the dumb-ass high school dropout can safely use that weapon system.


Do I agree? not really.... but I do understand.
 
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