The SKS Bayonet Thread -- Let's Share the Facts

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Here's my take on Russian SKS's. Experts chime in.

1949 -- spike
1950 to part 1954 -- polished steel
part 1954 to 1956 -- matte silver (bead blasted and coated)

Refurb (all years) -- any of the above, commonly matte silver due to superior corrosion protection.

My belief, not completely supported by evidence as I do not own 100+ SKS variations (so experts/collectors please chime in and share your experience and observations):

Most SKS's produced sometime in 1954 and onward were given matte finished (bead blasted) bayonets, probably as part of the gradual improvements made over the years. I believe that this was more or less consistent at both the Tula and Izhevsk factories. Because 1954 was a "transitional year" for the SKS bayonet, there were both polished and matte finished bayonets used. It was probably not an abrupt transition, but ultimately the matte finished bayonet replaced the polished bayonet by mid to late 1954.

SKS bayonets were likely quite used and abused during issue and training, and it is therefore not surprizing that bayonet replacement and/or refinishing was common during the arsenal refurbishment process. Most of the "nicer" refurbs were upgraded with matte silver finish bayonets, while others were nicely blued or painted black. Clearly, some refurbs also sport original or replacement polished bayonets. Because there was so little consistency during the arsenal refurbishment process, any bayonet style is possible on a "refurb". Life would have been easier for the collector if Russian SKS bayonets were serial numbered!

Because only 3% to perhaps 5% of all SKS imports are truly non-refurbished or "as-issued", it is common misunderstanding to label all matte silver finish bayonets as "refurbs".
"Yooper John", a popular and highly respected American SKS expert, supports this assertion and hence many believe this to be true. While Yooper John has great credibility and is the pioneer of SKS information sharing on the web, I don't believe he is correct regarding what is a "correct" Russian SKS bayonet. There are relatively few Russian SKS's in the USA, spread thinly over a huge population, due to the silly 1994 ban on the importation of combloc SKS's. Here in Canada, where the SKS has been widely imported for years, there is a sizeable number of true non-refurbished SKS's in the hands of collectors who have greater experience upon which to draw conclusions regarding what is "correct" on a non-refurbished Russian SKS.
I personally own a non-refurbished 1954 SKS with a matte silver bayonet, as does a number of other informed CGN collectors.

Well, that's my humble contribution to this thread. Feel free to refute, criticize, or support my statements.

Also feel free to contribute information on other facts surrounding any manufacturer of SKS (Chinese, Yugo, Albanian, etc.)
 
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My 51 Tula, all original, has a polished silver bayo, my 53 Tula, heavily refurbed, has a gold bayo, and my brothers 51 Tula, I think lightly refurbed, has a black bayo. So, if you can make any sense outta that go ahead, cos I can't. Cheers.
 
I think a lot of it is speculation. I've also read over Yooper John's website and found his information interesting. The missing puzzle pieces are one of the things that makes milsurp items romantic. There are so many things we don't know, yet have a tremendous amount of passion for finding the truth.


Having that said, I have lots of SKS bayonets, and many but not all of the types mentioned above. There really are not any markings on them, they were made in different factories in different years. Some of the machining can vary, but its pretty hard to tell if they have been buffed and shined, painted, unpainted, or otherwise, from the original condition.

When they first built the rifles, they had a big wooden box full of new bayonets. When the rifles were factory refurbed, did they have a big box of refurbed bayonets as well? Were they just buffed up, pulled fresh from a tank, repainted, unpainted, or all of the above?

At the end of the day, I still don't really have a clue, but what happens to a bayonet during factory refurnishing may or may not have anything to do with the process the rifle went through. Until evidence defines that it in fact does matter, it really does not up until that point.


Some look cooler than others. The gold colored ones look really old and cool. What else is there to say?
 
My 51 Tula, all original, has a polished silver bayo, my 53 Tula, heavily refurbed, has a gold bayo, and my brothers 51 Tula, I think lightly refurbed, has a black bayo. So, if you can make any sense outta that go ahead, cos I can't. Cheers.

Easy. The '51 is original and therefore has the polished bayonet (as does my '51 non-refurb). Your '52 is a refurb, therefore any finish/colour bayonet is possible. You brother's '51 is a refurb because it has a blued or black painted bayonet.
 
Here's my take on Russian SKS's. Experts chime in.

1949 -- spike
1950 to part 1954 -- polished steel
part 1954 to 1956 -- matte silver (bead blasted and coated)

Refurb (all years) -- any of the above, commonly matte silver due to superior corrosion protection.

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I personally own a non-refurbished 1954 SKS with a matte silver bayonet, as does a number of other informed CGN collectors.

Well, that's my humble contribution to this thread. Feel free to refute, criticize, or support my statements.

Also feel free to contribute information on other facts surrounding any manufacturer of SKS (Chinese, Yugo, Albanian, etc.)

You have a theory that disagrees with Yooper - on what basis do you disagree? A "survey" of a few hundred SKS's in the hands of collectors does not prove anything, it's just a survey, i.e. observations. Anything could have happened in Russia or Canada - bayonets are easily swapped. You need to go back to Russian archives to really support a theory.

That means that your statement that your non-refurb '54 is correct with a matte silver bayonet is based on hope, not facts.

I'm not saying that you're wrong, you just can't be sure you're right.
 
You have a theory that disagrees with Yooper - on what basis do you disagree? A "survey" of a few hundred SKS's in the hands of collectors does not prove anything, it's just a survey, i.e. observations. Anything could have happened in Russia or Canada - bayonets are easily swapped. You need to go back to Russian archives to really support a theory.

That means that your statement that your non-refurb '54 is correct with a matte silver bayonet is based on hope, not facts.

I'm not saying that you're wrong, you just can't be sure you're right.

I agree. That's why collectors need to chime in with their observations. In the real world nothing can be fully proven. We just base "facts" on many supporting observations, in other words, as large a sample set as possible.
 
Bayonet fact #1 on my SKS: the bayonet is sitting in a tool box somewhere. It wasn't staked down, so it came off at the same time as the cosmoline.
 
I just wanted to point something out about John Yooper's SKS info:

This dull finished bayonet can be found on the Russian SKS from 1949 -1956. 1949 had an original spike type bayonet similar to the M44 Russian bayonet. This dull finish is usually associated with a gun that has gone through an arsenal rebuild.

It states the dull blade is 'usually' associated with refurbs. Not that it is only found on refurbs. The same could probably be said of laminated stocks and refurbs, but it doesn't mean all SKSs with laminated stocks are refurbs.
 
My unissued/unfired '54 Tula has the flat silver bayo. My light referb '54 Izzy (just new laminate stock) also has the flat silver bayo. BTW one can tell if the bayo has been messed with either by the arsenal or otherwise, the screws are "stake'd" if you move them it is noticable on close inspection.
 
when it comes to bayo , its still a big mystery so i wouldnt put alot of emphasis to it plus the fact its easily removeable which make its even more diificult to be certain .

with regards to shiny bayo , i cant believe it took the russian 5 years before realizing that the shiny bayo rust easily and needed more than a light protective coating , i can see one stab into a wet sandbag and it will begin to rust .
 
My 51 Tula, all original, has a polished silver bayo, my 53 Tula, heavily refurbed, has a gold bayo, and my brothers 51 Tula, I think lightly refurbed, has a black bayo. So, if you can make any sense outta that go ahead, cos I can't. Cheers.

Hi cainesy, i think the different colours on the refurbished bayos might be from the tempering process if you have 5 minutes watch this youtube vid about a swordmaker
http://youtu.be/p_HxKReSSlA
 
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