They need to interview my references for PAL

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Hey everyone

Just got off the phone with the CFC and asking why its taking so long to get approved for my PAL and was told that I needed by the References to call in and do interviews. Has anyone else had to do this just for a PAL? I answered no to all the questions and don't have any issues with the law. I find it weird that everyone else doesn't have to do it but was told they needed to talk to my references.
 
Standard procedure.
They are supposed to interview references for EVERY application they get.

Getting your references to call in before they are called will indeed speed up the process.

How long has it been?

I imagine you are aware of the 28-day mandatory delay before anything is approved?
 
In my case they had trouble getting a hold of one of my references, and asked if I could get the person to call them instead. Worked out fine.
 
Has been since the end of June. Stupid me forgot to print my name on my picture so I had to wait weeks for that paper to be sent to me and back. I talked to them last week she said everything looked good, I call today and now they need my refs to call in. Like why didn't she tell me that last week when I asked if everything was good. SO frustrating.
 
Play their game, do what needs to be done, get your PAL ...

... Then you can join the rest of us and jump and scream loudly and try to maybe get thigns fixed in the system ...

As for your particualr situation ... not a new occurance ... pretty much the norm from what I have been reading lately.
 
Strange

As little as ten months ago (from personal experience, my brother's -PAL- and mine - RPAL) they didn't call references for PAL but did for RPAL.

Could be that with the direction the new MAJORITY Government seems to be going they want to establish precedents and create make work jobs that would justify their not being turfed.

See, we are doing double the number of interviews from last year; we need raises, more staff and bigger budgets (and new curtains and softer leather chairs.)
 
when i got mine they called my family doc and asked questions , funny thing tho i never listed him as a reference, i have no clue how the bloody hell they knew who my docter was, i was stunnd when he told me the rcmp called and inquired about me, ???lol
 
when i got mine they called my family doc and asked questions , funny thing tho i never listed him as a reference, i have no clue how the bloody hell they knew who my docter was, i was stunnd when he told me the rcmp called and inquired about me, ???lol

Illegal. Straight up.

http://www.cpso.on.ca/policies/policies/default.aspx?ID=1500

Disclosure to Police

It is not mandatory for physicians to provide confidential material to the police in the absence of a legal obligation. At these times, the general rules regarding consent and disclosure apply, meaning that express consent, either from the patient directly, or the substitute decision-maker, will be required before the police are provided with personal health information.

When personal health information is disclosed to the police, physicians are encouraged to record the officer’s name and badge number, the request for information, the information provided, and the authority for the disclosure (e.g., consent, reporting obligation, search warrant or summons). A photocopy of any search warrant or summons should be included in the patient’s medical record. The police or Crown attorney will usually take the originals but leave the physician with copies of the record so that ongoing care can be given.

I would be getting more info on this and filing a complaint with not only the privacy commision, but also to your doctors regulating body.

Adding to that, here are the legal reasons that disclosure can be made without consent:

Required Disclosure

Physicians may be required by law, in a variety of circumstances, to disclose personal health information without the consent of the patient.
Mandatory Reports

Certain statutes have reporting provisions that may require the physician to provide information about a patient. Examples of legislation requiring mandatory reports include the Regulated Health Professions Act, 1991; the Highway Traffic Act; the Child and Family Services Act; the Health Protection and Promotion Act; the Aeronautics Act; the Coroners Act and the Health Professions Procedural Code (See College policy on Mandatory Reporting).
Monitoring of Claims for Payment

In circumstances where the Ministry of Health and Long-Term Care is monitoring or verifying claims for payment for health care, or for goods used for health care that are funded wholly or in part by the Ministry, the physician must provide the patient’s personal health information to the Minister, upon his or her request.
Summonses, Subpoenas and Court Orders

In the course of litigation, physicians may be required by a summons, subpoena or a court order to disclose a patient’s personal health information and patient records. The physician should read the summons, subpoena or court order carefully and not do more than it requires. For example, a summons may require a physician to attend a court at a particular time and to take a specific patient chart. The summons does not authorize the physician to discuss the patient’s care with, or show the record to, anyone in advance of the court appearance.
Reports under the Workplace Safety and Insurance Act

Under the Workplace Safety and Insurance Act, a physician who is providing health care to a worker claiming benefits under the workplace’s insurance plan must promptly give the Workplace Safety and Insurance Board (WSIB) the relevant personal health information that the WSIBmay require or that the patient requests that the physician provide to the WSIB. PHIPA permits the physician to report the required information to the WSIBand/or the employer, without the patient’s consent.11 If, however, the physician takes the position that the patient ought to be aware that his or her personal health information is being provided to the WSIB and/or the employer, the physician ought to notify his or her patient of that fact.

This is the inquiry email for the above sourced material. I would seriously contact them and ask about the legality of your doctor being contacted (and consequent disclosure w/o consent). If it was me, I would certainly be doing it: feedback@cpso.on.ca
 
It took me close to 12 weeks from time of sending my application (registered mail) till the time I had the PAL in my hand. I know your fustration .. but it was worth the wait. This was around the mail strike time which didn't help, and I checked a box on the application stating I wished to own restricted ... which didn't help out.
 
when i got mine they called my family doc and asked questions , funny thing tho i never listed him as a reference, i have no clue how the bloody hell they knew who my docter was, i was stunnd when he told me the rcmp called and inquired about me, ???lol

Wow! Scary stuff. I wonder what other things they know about. They sure know how to do an in depth search. I just got my rpal and I don't think they did this to me, but I could be wrong. They did call myself and my references to make sure everything checks out.
 
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