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Know not much of milsurp, really, other than what I've read here over the past couple of years. Did a lot of intense reading up, old posts and some of the references they linked, in the past 2-3 days. Well, OK, Dad had a few stories about crates full of LE's and ammo back in his Sears days in the 60's & 70's. But not quite the same as an actual knowledge base :p

I suppose I'm looking to collect, at an entry level. Something that I can take to the range occasionally, and might have some chance of appreciating some day but at least won't hurt if I get back out. I reload, so as long as I can find some brass I'll be OK that way. And I definitely prefer bolts, as opposed to semi's. Do not want 'rough' looking stuff, I suppose I understand that might mean I pay a bit of a premium, but probably not a 'NOS unfired omg pristine' premium.

I don't have a preference established yet as to era, location, etc. beyond as previously stated not being real interested in Enfields. I sorta thought I might want to look at Scandanavian stuff, given my mostly Norweigan heritage, but even looking online I don't see much that in my mind would qualify as 'collector' in dealer inventories.

So, I wandered down to one of our local emporiums today to have a look at a few. I'm not real interested in Enfields, so passed on that. Looked at

-M38 - forgot to get date
-M44 - forgot to get date

They were both run of the mill well used etc near as I can tell, and @ $225. How's that sound in the current market? Assume they're nothing special, mid-war.

And a few Mausers, a Czech 8mm (we couldn't find date) and a Chilean 7mm (1912 if memory serves), I thought they were both overpriced $100-150 given what I've read the past few days. The Czech was the nicest I looked at today, and still, had a couple of patches on the wood. A couple of Swedes, both converted for target and, again, $$. Typical for retail around here, unfortunately.

Nothing I saw in hand today was especially inspiring.

/mini rant Would it kill a store to run a brush and a couple patches thru their inventory?? /end mini rant

Been watching the emporium and checked out a couple of dealers' online inventory. Sorta leaning to a Mauser, I think, and at that a 7mm. Anyways, just my general thoughts etc.
 
Welcome to the milsurp club!

The Mosins are great rifles (I love mine!) but the problem right now is that you'd find Pam Anderson on a whaling boat before you find brass, and that could change tomorrow, next week, next year or never...

Given your stated disinterest in Enfields, the Mauser's are great rifles, and in calibres that are easy to reload for. Personally I would call that czech in 8mm your best bet.
 
Welcome to the dark side...The milsurp side :D

As Hawkshadow mentioned the Mosins are a great deal right now in the milsurp world. Carbines and standard length infantry rifles can be had for very reasonable prices, and are a very robust, accurate and historical rifle. Above all they are very fun to shoot, and surplus ammo is easier to find then surplus .303/8mm/.30-06 etc...

The price mentioned at 225$ each is fairly consistant with whats around nowadays. Look for something special like an MO marked rifle, a 1943 dated M44, a Tula M44 or an M38 with the early pattern stock. These are just a few of the harder to find variants of the Mosin carbines. You can learn much, much more at 7.62x54r.n et.

In regards to the Mausers. I cant say much as I only own a German piece, however the 8mm Mauser is a great cartridge that is readily available, and is very easy to reload for. Components are everywhere. The Mauser action is the "cadilac" of milsurp actions. Very smooth, strong, reliable etc... I have only heard great things about the 7mm aswell. I have only ever fired one, and it was a real joy to shoot.

I highly reccomend a wartime German K98 Mauser as they are a beautiful rifle that in an excellent performer with a very rich history. However if you are leaning towards the 7mm there are quite a few options out there IIRC. We have a few resident "Mauser guru's" around the milsurp forum, namely Joe n. These guys will be more then happy to reply with info and advice im sure.

Either way do lots of reading and know what to look for with your purchase. It never hurts to shop around for prices and the EE is ALWAYS work a look.

Again, welcome to the milsurp world! This may be your first but it wont be your last!

:D
 
Just a note I also have a few reviews of the Mosin rifle and one of my K98 up in this section if you are interested. Nabs recently did one on the older German Gew Mausers that are very well done and definitely worth a read if you are considering getting into the Mauser.
 
I went surfing around h ttp://dutchman.rebooty.com/ last night and totally fell in love. Have put up a wtb for a collectible condition Swede :D However, if I stumbled across a 98 in 7 in great condition it wouldn't take much to send me over the edge.

After I posted, I found M38/44 @ $169 so $225 doesn't look that great to me right now....at the same time, that's still sure cheap entry to the club!

Arty, your articles are fantastic I have read them all and please continue!
 
Although I've extend my collection in the last 2 years, Mausers are still my favoured Milsup, the long Gew98s in particular. The Mosin-Nagants are not expensive and very fun rifles. The munitions though are another question entirely, its feast and famine.
 
I have a significant Norske ancestry, but have overcome my genetic predilection to despising Swedes enough to enjoy a number of 96 Mausers, a Volvo 740, an ex-Swedish army Trangia stove, and the collected works of Ms. Britt Ekland.

The Swede Mausers are beautifully built, superbly accurate, and gentle to shoot. You really can't go wrong here. And the Dutchman’s site is brilliant.

A word on 7x57 – you’ll want one of these sooner or later. My brother has a Brazilian Model 1908 that’s a magnificent example of the gunmaker’s art. Its level of fit and finish puts current production civilian rifles to shame. TradeEx can set you up nicely for a very reasonable price.

Have fun!

Dan
 
Chile bought TWO big lots of Mauser rifles in 7x57.

The first contract was in 1895 and the rifles were on the 95 action: slick, smooth, swift. These were all German-made rifles, Ludwig Loewe on the early ones, DWM later (the company changed its name) and they had a ####-on-closing action. Tey are a fine rifle in the original 7x57 but the .308 cartridge puts them right at the edge as far as pressure is concerned. Load .308 down just a bit for this one. Shoots better slightly mild, anyway.

The later contract was with the Steyr firm in Austria (Oesterreichische Waffenfabriksgesellschaft Steyr: Austrian Weapons-making Company at Steyr). This was the Model of 1912 and they were/are among the finest military bolt rifles ever built. You will not find a civilian rifle made today under $2400 which can even compare. It is a true 98 action and generally is regarded as the finest single production lot of 98 actions built.

Really, it's pretty darned hard to go far wrong on either one.

MOST brass for old military rifles is available. I have a couple of old French rifles: no brass in North America since 1954. TradeEx (tan button at top of this page) stocks it..... and 6.5 Carcano..... and 7.5 French.... and 7.5 Schmitt-Rubin...... and 8x57 Mauser..... and .303...... all made in Serbia and great reloading brass. You handload already, so you don't even need another box of primers: the Serbian brass is made for our primers.

There are problems, but the solutions ARE at hand. If you are uncertain, come here and ask: that's why a lot of us are here very day.

Take care.... and welcome to the club!
 
The OP's original comments about dealers trying to sell dirty guns is a pet peeve of mine. To me it's like a car dealer trying to sell a car covered in mud. Even on line you see it in ads," Bore may clean up nice". Well, good God man, clean it yourself! It really is a way for the unscrupulous to sell rifles with ratty bores and claim ignorance. But all in all milsurps are a lot of fun and fewer a##holes per capita than any group of society.
 
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