Thinking of getting a Rem 700

[Aries-]

Whats the Remington 700 like in .300 Win mag.

i can getahold of a used (lightly by the looks of it) remington 700P in .300 win mag. was wondering how it is for ranged shooting. (also looking to use it for hunting, mostly bench or long ranged varmint shooting)

any recomendations or help would be great. thanks.

 

[Lfsabch]

i have a rem 700sps but in a 308 and it hits hard and long, dont have much exp with other guns but this one will get that job done, best out of the box accuracy some say

 

[Obtunded]

300 win mags are expensive to feed, kick like hell on the bench and are harder on barrels than their non magnum counterparts. They're great for larger game, but at nearly 3 bucks a pop, that's an expensive varmint gun. Accuracy should be as good or better than any other heavy barrelled factory rifle of the same cartridge.

 

[2bad4u2]

Whats the Remington 700 like in .300 Win mag.

i can getahold of a used (lightly by the looks of it) remington 700P in .300 win mag. was wondering how it is for ranged shooting. (also looking to use it for hunting, mostly bench or long ranged varmint shooting)

any recomendations or help would be great. thanks.

Poor choice. Reason?

(1) Too heavy and cumbersome to hunt effectively with. Unless of course you hunt in a stationary blind all the time but you still have to lug it there. What do you plan to hunt? For deer sized game, .300 WM is generally more cartridge than needed for most normal hunting ranges.

(2) You haven't mentioned the distance of your range but assuming it's like most and under 200 yds. the .300 WM is overkill, expensive, noisy, and not a pleasant cartridge to shoot lots of rounds down range.

(3) Varmint hunting with a .300 WM? How frickin' big are your varmints? Hey, whatever floats your boat bud but this cartridge is a very poor choice. When was the last time you heard anyone doing this type of hunting with a .300 WM?

Do you plan to shoot this thing often? If so, I hope you're well heeled financially becasue you'll have a barrel wore out in short order and need to re-barrel. Accurate bore life of this cartridge is generally between 1,500-2,500 rounds depending on shooting frequency and how hot the loads are. Warm up the barrel with lots of prone range shooting, expect this sucka' to last even less.

We haven't even touched on the cost of shooting, which is a consideration for most but not everyone. Expect to load about 100+- rounds per pound of powder and replace cases after 5-15 loadings depending on a variety of factors.

I suspect you might be new to this, am I correct? If you MUST have a .30 cal. cartridge, then I would suggest a far more appropriate hunting & target shooting round, the .308 Winchester. It'll do everything you want it to do and won't break your pocketbook in the process. Accurate bore life will easily be 4,000-8,000 rounds depending on a variables.

Do some basic research on this and you'll soon realize a .300 WM, while an extremely macho round of choice, will be largely inappropriate for what you're looking to do.

If buying a brand new rife, make this one on your short list. http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=195031
The barrel profile on thisrifle will lend itself to very accurate performance and improved ease of cleaning due to relatively low copper fouling. Buy yourself a good bore guid and nylon coated cleaning rod and your off to the races!

 

[Aries-]

Brand new isnt really an option.

thanks for the advice on everyone even if it did seem a little snotty .

yeah im new to the precission shooting thing. most precission shooting ive done is with .22's and blackpowder rifles.

as for hunting. with a sling on it, its not much of a weight diff from what i hunt with right now.

wanting something a bit larger so that i can hunt pretty much anything from deer to moose and bear. (and have a relativly good chance of dropping themwithout much trouble)

 

[Obtunded]

Maybe look for something in 308 or even 30-06? That round will take down all of the critters you mention, the ammo is plentiful and one of the most important components of precision shooting is having the skill to get the most out of your rig. That takes practice, and practice takes lots of ammo. I personally don't enjoy the sort of non-braked recoil in a 300WM. You run the risk of flinching. I have a friend that is trying to do the same thing as you with a 7 Rem Mag (another boomer) because it was free to him. He laments over the cost of ammo and he can shoot a perfect 1 foot group at a hundred... I gave him a 204 ruger and he is down to an inch. Interestingly, He had a hangfire with one of his 7mm rounds and I could see his flinch big-time.


Anyway... That same gun is available in 308, and at the risk of starting the "Savage vs. Remington" thying yet again, there really are some excellent, extremely accurate Savage rifles that are quite affordable.

Most importantly, have fun. The wost day of shooting is still better than the best day of working.

 

[Bush Man]

I also thought I wanted a Long range bench rest gun that could double as a hunting gun. Most people told me it wasn't a great idea. Buy one gun for long range target/varmint in a nicer caliber. Then buy a sporter in .300 WM for hunting and carrying around.

The other thing to consider is scopes. If you put a 6-24 on a target rig, 6 power is waay to much for most moose hunting, unless you hunt on the prairies.

 

[werewolf]

If you reload, you can get magnum performance from an 06.

 

[PEI ROB]

You need two rifles, FORGET about using a hunting rifle for target or vise versa. A heavy barrelled target rifle is not nice to carry out hunting, its downright foolish. 99.9% of hunters should never fire at game past 300 yards and a reasonably accurate lightweight hunting rifle's cold bore shot will be almost exactly as good as a factory heavy barrel rifle. With that, 99.9% of hunters don't need a heavy barrel.

The 300 win mag is still used for 1000 yard shooting and it most certainly can still win competitions but not by using a factory rifle. People here posting their opinion are trying to help you, a 700P in 300 win mag would not be on a short list for your first rifle.

How much and what comes with it exactly? You do have lots of other choices.

Cheers

 

[NAA]

300 win mags are expensive to feed, kick like hell on the bench and are harder on barrels than their non magnum counterparts. They're great for larger game, but at nearly 3 bucks a pop, that's an expensive varmint gun. Accuracy should be as good or better than any other heavy barrelled factory rifle of the same cartridge.

+1

I use a .300 Win Mag (sporter) for my 'moose rifle'... and I reload for it, so ammo expense doesn't kill me either... BUT my target rifles are all in short action STANDARD catridges like .308 Win and 7mm-08...

If I could get a Rem 700P in .300 Win Mag for a "deal" then I might consider it as I already am set up for and reload that ctg. However, if I was starting out in the "target rifle" area I would opt for a heavy barrel rifle in something like .308 Win....

 

[303carbine]

Whats the Remington 700 like in .300 Win mag.

i can getahold of a used (lightly by the looks of it) remington 700P in .300 win mag. was wondering how it is for ranged shooting. (also looking to use it for hunting, mostly bench or long ranged varmint shooting)

any recomendations or help would be great. thanks.

The 300 Win will still be supersonic at 1000 yards with 190 grain match bullets,can't say the same for a .308.
My 15 year old son shoots the 300 off the bench as much as I do, so the bad recoil thing is also another myth.
If you want to shoot varmints with a 300 Win, I say more (pun intended)power to you. And while you're out varminting with your 300 you can also take a moose if it's in season, can't say the same for the .223.
Buy the 300 and have fun...............

 

[Shrek]

The 300 Win will still be supersonic at 1000 yards with 190 grain match bullets,can't say the same for a .308.
My 15 year old son shoots the 300 off the bench as much as I do, so the bad recoil thing is also another myth.
If you want to shoot varmints with a 300 Win, I say more (pun intended)power to you. And while you're out varminting with your 300 you can also take a moose if it's in season, can't say the same for the .223.
Buy the 300 and have fun...............

Well said! To get a .308 to remain supersonic at 1000 you need a heavy bullet. This means you need more barrel twist, which the 700P in .308 is NOT offered. I can't remember offhand, but I think the only barrel twist you can get it in is 1:14. The 700P is offered in a 1:10 twist for the .300 win mag, which opens up a whole range of heavy long-range bullets. Add this to the greater velocity, and you will have a rifle much better suited to reach out past 1000 yards.

If your bullet placement when hunting is good, you don't need a magnum to hunt deer (or even moose). This being said, Many people (you know who you are!) use one anyways, because we are human. Not every shot we take is perfect and when hunting lots of variables can cause a bullet impact on an animal in a less lethal spot where you wanted it.

In my neck of the wood (BC, shuswap) moose can be seen quite often when your shot will be between 200 and 500 yards. We have a few huge cut blocks from logging, and these shots are often uphill or downhill. Tricky to count tines before you take a shot, but if you do shoot, a magnum can help you out.

If you want to pack around a heavy barrel 700 on your hunts go ahead! I have a Model 70 featherweight I don't use, because I prefer my standard model 70 for caliber and optics. I don't even notice a difference when they are slung or carried. Admittedly, I don't always hike all day when hunting.

To CGN members who DO shoot a .308 at long ranges, my hat is off to you! I still need work on the whole bullet drop over range, I know it's possible to group really well, just not by me (yet).

Recoil? Please! You can work your way up to it and get used to it if you aren't already. It's not like trying to drink scotch whiskey if you hate it (give up you will never warm-up to scotch if you don't like the first one).

Worst case scenario, you will LOVE your win mag for some applications, and find it less suited to others. So go buy two more rifles (in time) to fill in your needs. Everyone can agree that more rifles are better, can't we?!

 

[Obtunded]

The 300 Win will still be supersonic at 1000 yards with 190 grain match bullets,can't say the same for a .308.

Actually, that's not true. SOS is about 1066 fps at sea level. With 190's launched at 2400 fps. The 308 bullets will be supersonic out past 1000 yards. The drop is significant, but they are still supersonic. 308 175 Bergers hold ss speed out to 1400 yards when launched at 2700 fps. Both these velocities are well within the capability of a 308 and 30-06.

My 15 year old son shoots the 300 off the bench as much as I do, so the bad recoil thing is also another myth.

Depends on the gun, but your son is a way tougher guy than me if he calls that fun. I would suggest anyone considering buying a gun in that cartridge would be well advised to try it first and make up their own mind.

If you want to shoot varmints with a 300 Win, I say more (pun intended)power to you. And while you're out varminting with your 300 you can also take a moose if it's in season, can't say the same for the .223.
Buy the 300 and have fun...............

Agreed!! It's all about having fun, but early success means you're more likely to stick with something. Too bad Moose and gophers aren't in season at the same time out here... you might just talk me into a 300

 

[maynard]

Well said! To get a .308 to remain supersonic at 1000 you need a heavy bullet. This means you need more barrel twist, which the 700P in .308 is NOT offered. I can't remember offhand, but I think the only barrel twist you can get it in is 1:14. The 700P is offered in a 1:10 twist for the .300 win mag, which opens up a whole range of heavy long-range bullets. Add this to the greater velocity, and you will have a rifle much better suited to reach out past 1000 yards.

To CGN members who DO shoot a .308 at long ranges, my hat is off to you! I still need work on the whole bullet drop over range, I know it's possible to group really well, just not by me (yet).
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Wow, are you telling me 155 gr bullets out of a .308 Win @ around 2940fps are sub-sonic at 1000 yards? They have been used for years in barrels with a 1:14 twist to win long range competitions.

 

[Johnny_Canuck]

I own a Rem 700 sendero in .300 WM, it is my main hunting squeeze. Its hefty but not heavy, my uncle has a nice original wood stocked sako in 25-06 that weigth a mere 3/4 pound lighter than my sendero. For me i find it to be a well balanced gun and the 300 WM is a good all round cartridge, its detractors will tell you it is too large for deer. Not true, My cousin arse shot a wt buck with a 30-06 and ruined a good chunk of meat. As with anything shot placement is key. It does you no good either way if you have a 30 cal 180 grain SPBT travelling @ 3100 fps or a 6.5, 120 grain SP going 2400 fps if you dont hit the deer properly. Every deer Ive shot with it died within 50 yards of where the bullet hit it. Not because the big scary bullet shocked it to death with its weight and speed but because the big scary bullet blew both lungs in half and ripped off the top of the heart. You can do that with a .243 if you choose, if the rifle is a deal, and you want a good all round hunting rifle go for it. You dont feel recoil when there's hair in the scope, and 300 WM bullets do not Cost 3 dollars a shell, unless you buy fancy nickel plated casings with poly tipped moly coated bullets that smell like lilacs when you fire the gun, (BTW those silly yuppie bullets have crappy terminal preformance, fragmenting and ruining more than they should!)a rem cor-lokt factory 180 will kill anything in north america. Just shoot it properly, practice with any rifle and you can kill anything.

 

[Aries-]

i got a box of Winchester Super X (old stock) for 20 bucks. the only stuff thats expencive is the premium and thats 52.99 for a box of 20. but i dont see me buying that for anything other than hunting. and a box of 20 would last me a while.

i got it today. and il post pics in a bit. i got a 6-24 bushnell scope, and a Bipod for the front. all in all i can still hold it up and aim properly with it.

im happy with it. for everything i got i got a good deal on it. (case, gun, scope, bipod, and box of ammo for less than one new.. used gun of course).

i look forward to getting to shoot it.