I've been thinking of getting some 3 gun matches going here in Manitoba and I was wondering how most clubs are doing it? What are you doing for insurance, what kind of rules do you have and do you require a safety course or holster training? Any info you could provide would be helpful. Thanks.
Thinking of getting some 3 gun matches going here in Manitoba.
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I'm definitely going to do at least one this year. Probably at Selkirk Range. My biggest dilemma is what do I require as far as safety training. Do I require a Black Badge, IDPA's holster course, hunter's safety, firearms safety course, or nothing at all? Things can happen fast when your on the timer and safety is my first concern. That being said I feel I could potentially attract more interest if I could run it without a required holster course. What do you guys think? Also I'm in the market for AR 500 gongs. Anybody have any connections?
stormbringer
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AFAIK there is now law that says you have to have any formal or recognized "training" to run any kind of competition.
Whatever your range is approved for... That's what you can do there.
Holster qualification is something most clubs Indus on, but can seldom define.
Do whatever you feel comfortable with. Go slow if you have to.
As long as the four universal rules of gun safety are obeyed you're golden.
Those four rules are all we've ever needed, but somehow we've managed to clutter the shooting sports with all sorts of extra...
The MDPL will be having similar matches this summer with pistol stages in the AM and a mix of pistol and carbine or shotgun in the PM.
The IDPA new shooters course (next one scheduled for May 25), Black badge or LEO status is required.
Maybe a good place to start and you can always bring new ideas to the table.
The IDPA new shooters course (next one scheduled for May 25), Black badge or LEO status is required.
Maybe a good place to start and you can always bring new ideas to the table.
You don't absolutely need to be carrying your pistol in a 3 gun match. There is infinite possiblities in course layout.
I am planning on putting one on also. Many I know are holster qualified, some are not, especially the guys you really want
to get involved for future matches. Easy fix, handgun goes on a table, action open, mag out. When you hit the handgun stage,
you pick it up, load it, shoot the course, unload and show clear and it goes back on the table.
Same can apply to the rifle and shotgun courses.
We've been doing this for years.
I am planning on putting one on also. Many I know are holster qualified, some are not, especially the guys you really want
to get involved for future matches. Easy fix, handgun goes on a table, action open, mag out. When you hit the handgun stage,
you pick it up, load it, shoot the course, unload and show clear and it goes back on the table.
Same can apply to the rifle and shotgun courses.
We've been doing this for years.
heavenIsAlie
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i never require any certification when I run 2 gun matches (pistol + shotgun). all the regular shooting sport rules apply with a few more about how you are allowed to ditch your gun. Yes I have had to DQ some people for things but thats why I have ROs.
a couple safety things I use in course design are:
1)never require holstering on the clock, to easy to screw up.
2)dont have shooter go in front of a staged loaded or even a ditched gun unless it is pointed at the ground (usually in a barrel, watch a 3 gun video and you will see it)
a couple safety things I use in course design are:
1)never require holstering on the clock, to easy to screw up.
2)dont have shooter go in front of a staged loaded or even a ditched gun unless it is pointed at the ground (usually in a barrel, watch a 3 gun video and you will see it)
^^^
This is how it's done at all the major 3-gun matches (3Gun Nation for example)...
Unless the CoF starts with handgun... Handguns are holstered with mag in CHAMBER EMPTY
Once handguns is no longer needed it's gets dumped into a receptical/bucket... They don't usually require the pistol be "cleared", but it must have its safety engaged if it has one... "safe action" guns (glocks for example) can be simply left in the bucket with a round chambered... As long as noone touches it it's "safe".
That said... Many shooters (even my American 3-Gun friends) take the extra time to fully clear their gun before dumping... 'Cheaper than getting DQ'd because your safety got bumped off when you dump the gun...
If the CoF ends with pistol the usual "show clear and holster" routine can be employed.
An oblong kitty litter bucket works great as a pisol dump... Secured to a 2x4 stuck in a bucket of cement makes it a sturdy and most importantly portable asset.
Pretty much any handgun fits...
Long guns are usually helld/staged mag in/loaded chamber emtpy safety on.
Long guns are dump'd into barrels or placed upon purpose built "dump tables"... A table/rack angled at about 45deg. so the muzzle points at the ground... Again... Rifles/shotguns can simple have safeties engaged.... Or... Must be completely empty.
'Been to many matches of this type... Noones been shot by an abandoned firearm.
Team Hoser goes goes a little further in that we require dumped guns to be completey empty and locked open when abandoned.
Here's a video showing the use of dump barrels staged guns...
maybe with some practice you'll be able to compete against her...LoL
I know I can't... I placed about ten spots BEHIND her at Rockcastle this past weekend.
13 years old... And you think YOU are a bad ass on the range.. LoL
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I find it funny that some consider subverting a holster certification by simply not starting a gun in a holster.
I've long been of the opinion that the actual physical motion of holstering and unholstering is one of the safest times in a CoF (comparatively). The most significantly likelihood of error comes during moving, shooting, reloading etc. All of those situations still exist whether or not a handgun starts holstered.
Point is....holster certification (if a club wants to require it) should be replaced with just a general level 3 gun safety course. Certainly, saying that a holster cert is required for a 3 gun match is kinda like placing a decreased emphasis on safe handling which would otherwise be expected when handling long guns.
I've long been of the opinion that the actual physical motion of holstering and unholstering is one of the safest times in a CoF (comparatively). The most significantly likelihood of error comes during moving, shooting, reloading etc. All of those situations still exist whether or not a handgun starts holstered.
Point is....holster certification (if a club wants to require it) should be replaced with just a general level 3 gun safety course. Certainly, saying that a holster cert is required for a 3 gun match is kinda like placing a decreased emphasis on safe handling which would otherwise be expected when handling long guns.
heavenIsAlie
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yep, i also use flat tables as a place to ditch a gun, but that is only if the shooter wont be going in front of it.^^^
This is how it's done at all the major 3-gun matches (3Gun Nation for example)...
Unless the CoF starts with handgun... Handguns are holstered with mag in CHAMBER EMPTY
Once handguns is no longer needed it's gets dumped into a receptical/bucket... They don't usually require the pistol be "cleared", but it must have its safety engaged if it has one... "safe action" guns (glocks for example) can be simply left in the bucket with a round chambered... As long as noone touches it it's "safe".
That said... Many shooters (even my American 3-Gun friends) take the extra time to fully clear their gun before dumping... 'Cheaper than getting DQ'd because your safety got bumped off when you dump the gun...
If the CoF ends with pistol the usual "show clear and holster" routine can be employed.
An oblong kitty litter bucket works great as a pisol dump... Secured to a 2x4 stuck in a bucket of cement makes it a sturdy and most importantly portable asset.
Pretty much any handgun fits...
Long guns are usually helld/staged mag in/loaded chamber emtpy safety on.
Long guns are dump'd into barrels or placed upon purpose built "dump tables"... A table/rack angled at about 45deg. so the muzzle points at the ground... Again... Rifles/shotguns can simple have safeties engaged.... Or... Must be completely empty.
'Been to many matches of this type... Noones been shot by an abandoned firearm.
Team Hoser goes goes a little further in that we require dumped guns to be completey empty and locked open when abandoned.
Here's a video showing the use of dump barrels staged guns...
maybe with some practice you'll be able to compete against her...LoL
I know I can't... I placed about ten spots BEHIND her at Rockcastle this past weekend.
13 years old... And you think YOU are a bad ass on the range.. LoL
[youtube]xTM3Z1pdl5M[/youtube]
i dont require the clearing either, saftey on if fine with me BUT if your safety comes off when it hits the table or something like that, you are responsible and you get a DQ for it so its up to the shooter
We use dump buckets for long guns and put safety on.Pistols get safety on before holstering. Rules based loosely on IPSC. We are a small club and as long as we know you can shoot safely we let you attend.The best way to start 3-gun in your area is to be the one to put them on- yourself!!!
