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So I'm looking over the internet for an Ar-15 style rifle to purchase, and Im trying to do my research as I am new to this part of firearms. When I started to notice lowers and uppers for sale (remember Im a noob at this)...So I started thinking I should just build my own..

So Im thinking an ar-15 chambered 6.8 spc, gas piston operated with an 11.5" barrel and a railed handguard so I can mount my electronics.

Problem is with so many manufacturers out there, I dont know where to begin, whos more reliable, whos got the best parts, whos worth the price Im paying for? So I thought I'd turn to some Canadian gun nuts for some advice =)
 
If you want 6.8, for some parts you will not have a lot of choice wrt manufacturers.

If this is your first AR, I strongly recommend you forget 6.8 SPC and buy a 5.56 gun. I would also forget the gas piston and buy a DI gun.

New AR15 shooters are better served by buying rifles that take readily available replacement parts and operate in a manner where lots of ppl can help diagnose the problems that may arise. Also, 5.6 ammo will allow you to practise like mad with cheap ammo, while a 6.8SPC - less so. Much less so.
 
I agree totally with what Claven posted above. Buy a complete rifle, or at most a complete upper and lower from a quality manufacturer, DI, .223/5.56.

Now if we can get a Mod to lock this thread, it would be worthy of a sticky.

Regards.

Mark
 
Claven2 said:
If you want 6.8, for some parts you will not have a lot of choice wrt manufacturers.

If this is your first AR, I strongly recommend you forget 6.8 SPC and buy a 5.56 gun. I would also forget the gas piston and buy a DI gun.

New AR15 shooters are better served by buying rifles that take readily available replacement parts and operate in a manner where lots of ppl can help diagnose the problems that may arise. Also, 5.6 ammo will allow you to practise like mad with cheap ammo, while a 6.8SPC - less so. Much less so.
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But what manufacturers would you suggest, it feels like there are so many to choose from I cant even decide. I feel like such a nooblet lol
 
I'll let Claven answer that question, but will add that you should buy whatever appeals to you, and is within your budget.

Don't forget to budget for a decent optic (Aimpoint PRO is a good starting point), mags (6 - 12 Pmags), sling (BFG Vickers 2-point), and ammo (1000 rounds to start with). Do not buy any tacticool cr@p or modify your rifle until you have 1000 - 2000 rounds through it, and you are sure that you need to replace a component in order to improve your shooting.

Regards.

Mark
 
MWL said:
I'll let Claven answer that question, but will add that you should buy whatever appeals to you, and is within your budget.

Don't forget to budget for a decent optic (Aimpoint PRO is a good starting point), mags (6 - 12 Pmags), sling (BFG Vickers 2-point), and ammo (1000 rounds to start with). Do not buy any tacticool cr@p or modify your rifle until you have 1000 - 2000 rounds through it, and you are sure that you need to replace a component in order to improve your shooting.

Regards.

Mark
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Very good, thanks
 
As Claven hasn't yet responded to your original question, I thought that I would give you some options.

As he stated, for your first AR, stick to a basic DI carbine configuration. You can get another more 'exotic' AR, or even just another upper later when you decide what direction you want to go in. Look at a 14.5 to 16.5 inch standard upper with carbine length gas system, and a lower with standard features and an adjustable stock.

Starting at the less expensive end of the scale, and taking into account the other items I mentioned you should budget for, these are some options:

Norinco:
Pros: Inexpensive.
Cons: Some parts are not to 'spec' and may require some tinkering when changing parts.

NEA:
Pros: Reasonably priced, Canadian made, good warranty.
Cons: Some initial teething issues, they are learning as they go.

Stag:
Pros: Good quality in-spec parts, good prices.
Cons: Non really, just not considered the best by some.

LMT:
Pros: Very good quality.
Cons: Non really, a little more expensive.

There are of course a few other options up here in Canada, Armalite (somewhere between NEA and Stag), Colt (very limited and way overpriced up here), RRA (slightly below Stag), Bushmaster/DPMS/Olympic Arms (pretty similar, and somewhere between Norinco and RRA.

Read the stickys at M4Carbine.net, buy the best you can afford, and go shoot it. Don't feel obliged to justify your purchase, and don't be tempted to add any parts just because they look cool or the deltarangerseals use it. I believe the commonly used term on Lightfighter, "buy once, cry once" applies to anything regarding the AR.

Hope this helps a little with your decision.

Regards.

Mark
 
CashMonkey said:
But what manufacturers would you suggest, it feels like there are so many to choose from I cant even decide. I feel like such a nooblet lol
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LMT. Yes, you'll pay a bit more - but you won't ever have a problem with resale. Or aftermarket parts. And really the only upgrades you'll ever need to make are cosmetic.

If you're looking at a new one, this is a pretty good price:
https://shopquestar.com/shopping65/shopexd.asp?id=1683&bc=no

You can change out the stock to a Magpul MOE or CTR with matching hand guard and grip (though the Hogue is pretty good) for under $200. Questar has a 16" LMT for as low as $1,289 but I think you'll be happier with the 14.5" and flash hider.

If you're looking for a sweet setup, check this out:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=682494&highlight=lmt

You can really put any kind of lower on it that you want.
 
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