This will cheer you up - UK-legal Glock .22

Galt said:
Its a Glock, but we couldnt get permission from Glock,so tgis what we have to offer instead?.
Arent the ISSCs made in Europe?Why not have a modified version that is UK legal? I am sure they wouldnt mind making a few at that price.
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Galt - whatever they do, and whoever makes it, in order to be legal here in yUK as long-barrelled pistol or revolver it MUST be >600mm overall with a barrel that is at least 12". This only applies to mainland UK - that is, England, Scotland and Wales. Northern Ireland shooters can still have a REAL Glock, or anything else, for that matter, by way of a handgun.

tac
 
No offence intended tacfoley, with my historical background statement! Strange thing is, in 1980 I met Irish soldiers from a British Army regiment that, some of which I'm sure were IRA, if not IRA sympathizers. About the same time I actually met through a friend, a Scottish national in Calgary (a nanny) who's aunt was killed in a sectarian bombing somehow? (poor girl) Wholly effing God, she dissected my first and middle names and discerned I was named in Catholic tradition!! I left that banshee's apartment pronto with my scalp barely intact!

I'll now turn off my off topic rant folks.

Cheers
 
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Brutus said:
^The irony of the UK example right here. The tiny bit of Northern Ireland that raged the longest insurgency against British rule in the 20th century, has more lenient handgun regulations.
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It's simple. Between 1969 and the reported 'cessation of hostilities' between PIRA and the Crown Forces, not ONE legally-owned handgun was used in the commission of ANY crime. All the murder and mayhem and killings that took place were all carried out with illegal firearms, or firearms that had been acquired from dead members of the security forces, like the Browning GP35 taken from the bodies of two off-duty RUC officers out fishing when they were murdered, or the two soldiers who got lost and were beaten and publicly shot to death. Both those pistols were subsequently used in crime, but they were not previously owned by shooting members of the public.

When the Westminster government introduced the two stages of the cartridge-firing handgun ban back in '97 and '98, the Northern Irish legislative assembly told them that they were NOT going to institute a similar ban, as there was no record of the criminal use of legally-owned handguns by their owners since around 1926 or so.

The rest of the UK - mainland GB, either has BP or long-barrelled handguns, or pays the price of ownership without custody of their pistol. Section 5 permits you to own a handgun of historical or technical interest, but it must be stored at one of a handful of location - only in England - and if you want to shoot it, you must do so under supervision.

Having spent thirty-three years in the Army, there is no way on earth that I am going to 'visit' my handgun and shoot it while some spotty civilian oik supervises ME to ensure that I'm complying with the rules.

tac
 
what a crappy looking handgun, assume the longer barrel and steel on the back is for concealment, as always criminals can seem to get there hands on just about anything in the UK, and in such a case criminals get hold of one of these, they would never saw the extra bits off would they?
 
tacfoley said:
It's simple. Between 1969 and the reported 'cessation of hostilities' between PIRA and the Crown Forces, not ONE legally-owned handgun was used in the commission of ANY crime. All the murder and mayhem and killings that took place were all carried out with illegal firearms, or firearms that had been acquired from dead members of the security forces, like the Browning GP35 taken from the bodies of two off-duty RUC officers out fishing when they were murdered, or the two soldiers who got lost and were beaten and publicly shot to death. Both those pistols were subsequently used in crime, but they were not previously owned by shooting members of the public.

When the Westminster government introduced the two stages of the cartridge-firing handgun ban back in '97 and '98, the Northern Irish legislative assembly told them that they were NOT going to institute a similar ban, as there was no record of the criminal use of legally-owned handguns by their owners since around 1926 or so.

The rest of the UK - mainland GB, either has BP or long-barrelled handguns, or pays the price of ownership without custody of their pistol. Section 5 permits you to own a handgun of historical or technical interest, but it must be stored at one of a handful of location - only in England - and if you want to shoot it, you must do so under supervision.

Having spent thirty-three years in the Army, there is no way on earth that I am going to 'visit' my handgun and shoot it while some spotty civilian oik supervises ME to ensure that I'm complying with the rules.
tac
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Agreed sir!

Interesting facts. So I guess Scotland also follows this legislation too?

I only ask because thier recent referendum made international news.
Not many of us across the big pond are aware of these little known details.
What tiny bit I know about their rules, is that the MPs in Edinburgh seems to prefer even more draconian gun legislation!

thanks
 
Northern Ireland had the lowest crime rate in the UK (and the highest murder rate for a wee while), parts of NI have the lowest crime rates in Western Europe. The Ulsterfolk were essentially decent folk, but easily led. The front door was rarely locked when I was a kid there. I did have a handgun for non-target shooting, but I assume I wouldn't get it back if I ever lived there again. It is absurdly violent compared to Canada.
 
Brutus said:
Agreed sir!

Interesting facts. So I guess Scotland also follows this legislation too?

I only ask because thier recent referendum made international news.
Not many of us across the big pond are aware of these little known details.
What tiny bit I know about their rules, is that the MPs in Edinburgh seems to prefer even more draconian gun legislation!

thanks
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Scotland is still part of the UK, the frilly bit at the top of the big island. England is right underneath it, and goes down as far as the English Channel, then stops. As you look at mainland GB, blesséd Wales, land of mrs tac's ancestors, sticks out of the left-hand side. Counterbalancing it on the right-hand side, facing plucky little Belgium and The Netherlands, is East Anglia, home of the flat bits, and, for much of the year, mrs tac and me.

ALL of this constitutes Great Britain, and ALL of it suffers the national legislation imposed by Westminster, it seems, since both Wales and Scotland also obeyed the Westminster gubmint with regard to the Firearms Acts. The Northern Ireland legislative assembly, however, chose to disobey Westminster in this respect, and basically told them to go p*ss up a rope.

@Laurencen - NOT to stop it from being concealed, but to ensure its actual existence under current legislation as a 'long-barrelled pistol'. No self-respecting criminal would ever get his hands on one of these, since it costs around double the price of an illegal 9mm Glock from a supermarket car park dealer...AND, as a mere .22 rimfire, would not attract the requisite amount of 'respect' from his peers.

tac
 
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