Thomas Pigeon and Production Company - Total Of $8,000 In Fines

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A five-year investigation has led to a total of $8,000 in fines for a Toronto-area man and his video production company for the unlawful possession of illegally killed muskox and wood bison.

Thomas Pigeon pleaded guilty and was fined $2,000 for unlawfully possessing in Ontario a wood bison that was killed in the Northwest Territories contrary to the laws of that jurisdiction.

The video production company, Dancing Buffalo Productions Inc., under the direction of Thomas Pigeon, pleaded guilty and was fined $4,000 and $2,000 respectively for unlawfully possessing in Ontario two muskox and one wood bison that were all killed in Nunavut and the Northwest Territories contrary to the laws of those jurisdictions.

In addition to the fines, the taxidermy mounts of the animals and unedited video tapes of the hunting activities were forfeited to the Crown. All offences were contrary to the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act, 1997.

The court heard that between March 9, 2003, and April 9, 2003, Thomas Pigeon and others hunted muskox in Nunavut Territory and wood bison in the Northwest Territories. The major purpose of these hunting trips was to obtain video footage of hunting activities in order to use the video footage for a Canadian hunting television show that was at the time produced by Dancing Buffalo Productions Inc. As a result, both hunts were extensively recorded by two professional film crews.

With the assistance of Nunavut and the Northwest Territories Departments of Natural Resources and Environment Canada, investigators with the Ontario Ministry of Natural Resources determined from seized videos that the muskox and wood bison hunts were conducted in violation of the applicable legislation in force at the time of the offences. The Northwest Territories and Nunavut legislation prohibits using a vehicle, motorized toboggan or motorized three-wheeled vehicle to knowingly get within 1.5 km of a muskox or within one km of a wood bison for the purposes of hunting them.

The videos show the defendants being brought to well within 1.5 km of muskox and one km of wood bison by hired guides while being towed in sleds behind snowmobiles. Also, the muskox were herded by the guides using snowmobiles toward Pigeon so that he could more easily select, hunt, shoot and kill the animal of his choosing.

In comparing the commercially produced episodes which are available to the public and were aired on a weekly basis on a national television network, the snowmobiles chasing, herding and controlling the wildlife had been edited from the final production. The final production depicts the hunters as engaged in a fair chase hunt while approaching the animals on foot and then shooting them.

The taxidermy mounts of the animals were possessed in Ontario by the defendants continuously until they were seized by Ontario conservation officers in April 2011.

Justice of the Peace Denis Lee heard the case in the Ontario Court of Justice, Milton, on May 2, 2014.

The Fish and Wildlife Conservation Act authorizes Ontario investigators to deal with the unlawful possession of fish and wildlife that have been killed, captured, taken, possessed, transported, bought or sold contrary to the laws of another jurisdiction. Subsequent possession in Ontario of such unlawfully obtained fish and wildlife is an offence.

For further information on hunting regulations, please consult the Hunting Regulations Summary available at ontario.ca/hunting.


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While I have never been Pigeons biggest fan, this doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me. I do not know, but I doubt Eskimos follow the "Not getting within such a such a distance while on a ski-doo" law ..Maybe I'm wrong but it seem unlikely. Sounds like he got caught with mounts he shouldn't have had, then when the unedited tape was confiscated they charged him with "herding" the animals. Did they charge the herders too...?

I dunno but it sounds like much ado about nothing.
 
Money and stardom make people do stupid things.....just like Bieber....

For someone educating the public the fines should have been a lot higher...$250,000 maybe.....he could piss away $4000 in minutes and not notice it
 
They were poaching!

Not only were they poaching they were doing it for monetary rewards, not to feed their families.




They only thing wrong is that they were fined nowhere nearly enough money.

I read the article again and I cant find the part that said they didn't have licenses for the animals taken. All I got from it is that they got too close to the animals with a ski-doo and had their guides herd the animals closer to them to pick out the best of the herd for a shot.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not defending the guy. But my idea of poaching is killing animals out of season or killing an animal that you don't have a license for. I can't find anywhere in the article that says they did that. It says the animal was illegally killed (herding) and that they were in possession of 2 muskox and a wood bison in Ontario. Like they didn't file the right paperwork for export/transport or something.

To me, not poaching. In violation of "fair chase" laws and wild game possession laws, yes. But not poaching.
 
I read the article again and I cant find the part that said they didn't have licenses for the animals taken. All I got from it is that they got too close to the animals with a ski-doo and had their guides herd the animals closer to them to pick out the best of the herd for a shot.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not defending the guy. But my idea of poaching is killing animals out of season or killing an animal that you don't have a license for. I can't find anywhere in the article that says they did that. It says the animal was illegally killed (herding) and that they were in possession of 2 muskox and a wood bison in Ontario. Like they didn't file the right paperwork for export/transport or something.

To me, not poaching. In violation of "fair chase" laws and wild game possession laws, yes. But not poaching.
I as well echo your definition of poaching........there are many who believe that any violation under the Wildlife Act is poaching. Not defending this person at all, he deserves what was coming to him............. I guess chasing fame and fortune the wrong way will catch-up to certain individuals. Thank goodness I cancelled Wild TV, and never will support it. I'll stick to, "good old traditional hunting," read magazines.
 
To consistently produce interesting TV episodes there is a certain amount of staging that is sometimes required. This is not the first time an out door show and personality has been charged with wrong doing for the sake of the camera.
It is however suspicious in this instance that the wrong doing was done back in 2003 and took until 2011 to come to the attention of the authorities and courts. I doubt very much the authorities sit around looking at old episodes of out door shows looking for wrong doing. It is obvious in this instance someone had it in for Mr. Pigeon et'al and pointed all this out to the authorities.

The actions back in 2003 may have not been exactly proper but it was hardly the crime of the century to warrant all the attention and expense from authorities that it has.
 
To consistently produce interesting TV episodes there is a certain amount of staging that is sometimes required. This is not the first time an out door show and personality has been charged with wrong doing for the sake of the camera.
It is however suspicious in this instance that the wrong doing was done back in 2003 and took until 2011 to come to the attention of the authorities and courts. I doubt very much the authorities sit around looking at old episodes of out door shows looking for wrong doing. It is obvious in this instance someone had it in for Mr. Pigeon et'al and pointed all this out to the authorities.

The actions back in 2003 may have not been exactly proper but it was hardly the crime of the century to warrant all the attention and expense from authorities that it has.

Nothing new about that, but the question is should there be one rule for entertainment moguls and another for mere mortals ? No statute of Limitation on these things.

Grizz
 
And to think the effort to pursue and charge these rats with such a long time frame, yet the others on
the Gang Ranch issue got away with defamation of character in a much shorter time period?

The law in this country really makes no sense.
 
That must be the episode of CITR that Old Thomas was bit#*ing about buddy shooting next to him with a muzzle break. I haven't seen it as an encore presentation. I'm curious to know what's the difference btwn moving musk ox, and a deer push?
 
To consistently produce interesting TV episodes there is a certain amount of staging that is sometimes required. This is not the first time an out door show and personality has been charged with wrong doing for the sake of the camera.
It is however suspicious in this instance that the wrong doing was done back in 2003 and took until 2011 to come to the attention of the authorities and courts. I doubt very much the authorities sit around looking at old episodes of out door shows looking for wrong doing. It is obvious in this instance someone had it in for Mr. Pigeon et'al and pointed all this out to the authorities.

The actions back in 2003 may have not been exactly proper but it was hardly the crime of the century to warrant all the attention and expense from authorities that it has.

Excellent point mrgoat.
After such an extended period of time, who would bring an issue like this forward?
Could it have been a disgruntled employee, or someone hired by lets say Animal Alliance of Canada or Zoocheck Canada?
Look at the effort they put into their lawsuit trying to get the Ontario spring bear hunt cancelled.
It was only a couple of years ago that special interests were responsible for getting Canada in the Rough pulled from Global.
Was this their next kick at the can to try and get rid of him and his show all together?

Please give the guy a break.
This makes me think back to when I was a kid and watching Marlin Perkins and Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom.
I can't count the number of episodes of that show that I was glued to wishing I could be out here with them.
In the end, I think it was Marlin's sidekick Jim that was accused with staging some scenes. Face it animals are not going to follow a script and it must be extreamy difficult to get quaility footage on a weekly basis.
It was shows like that and the Red Fisher show that can take some credit for sparking my interest for the outdoors as a child. Canada in the Rough I think is doing the same for people of all ages today.
I think guys Marlin, Thomas, and Red Fisher all deserve a big round of applause.
Okay, I'm climbing down from my soapbox now. Flame away.
 
I feel a bit bad for them. It's quite likely that Pigeon didn't know about the 1500m rule for muskox and despite living in the North I have never heard of a rule prohibiting approach on bison inside 1000m. I once saw a game warden in the North idly chatting with some muskox hunters while preparing their export permits. He asked them how the hunt was, cha cha cha, then asked if they were using snowmobiles. Of course they answered yes. A few more questions about the hunt and the guides then asked if they were able to get close to the animals. The hunter said "Oh yeah, of course". Boom, confiscation and charges. The hunter didn't ever say that they used the snowmobiles to get close but that didn't stop them both from being charged and having their animals confiscated. And being from Pennsylvania what do you suppose the likelihood was that they would fly all the way back to Inuvik to fight the charge? Personally I didn't think that the evidence was there from the initial questioning but who knows what the hunters said in the follow up statement. I've also hunted with locals enough to have seen that they just want to fill the freezer (or the front porch, in the winter). Do they always follow the rules to the letter? I suppose some do and some don't, just like everywhere. I also know of one game warden in the North that is widely known as one of the worst "animal chasing" offenders. But at the end of the day I've always found the "thou shalt not knowingly approach within 1500m of muskox on a motorized vehicle" to be a bit silly. Prohibit chasing and harassing as every other jurisdiction does but to say that you can't approach within 1500m is a bit silly. I know a lot of local elders who could not stalk over 1500m that country in the winter and likely a lot of sport hunters that come from abroad couldn't either. Sport hunters bring in a lot of much needed income to the communities so to place pointless restrictions on them serves only to dissuade participation and penalize the people who rely on the money brought in by sport hunters.

Rant off.
 
I read the article again and I cant find the part that said they didn't have licenses for the animals taken. All I got from it is that they got too close to the animals with a ski-doo and had their guides herd the animals closer to them to pick out the best of the herd for a shot.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not defending the guy. But my idea of poaching is killing animals out of season or killing an animal that you don't have a license for. I can't find anywhere in the article that says they did that. It says the animal was illegally killed (herding) and that they were in possession of 2 muskox and a wood bison in Ontario. Like they didn't file the right paperwork for export/transport or something.

To me, not poaching. In violation of "fair chase" laws and wild game possession laws, yes. But not poaching.

Thats how I see it as well, some minor technicalities were abused a bit.
 
While I have never been Pigeons biggest fan, this doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me. I do not know, but I doubt Eskimos follow the "Not getting within such a such a distance while on a ski-doo" law ..Maybe I'm wrong but it seem unlikely. Sounds like he got caught with mounts he shouldn't have had, then when the unedited tape was confiscated they charged him with "herding" the animals. Did they charge the herders too...?

I dunno but it sounds like much ado about nothing.

I have to agree. I was never a big fan of Pigeon, an arrogant and excuse-making hunter if you ask me, but this instance is more on the local guides than their customer, who is not necessarily exempt from knowing the rules but most customers would rely on their guide to know what is right and afoul of the "law".

That said, I'm sure there was pressure to get footage and a kill that made Pigeon knowingly step over the line. I always wondered why the sudden change to the Beasly Brothers as hosts of Canada in the Rough, I guess ducking out of the limelight was the reason. It reminds me of those fish snaggers, Italo Labignan and Henry Waszczuk, the latter of whom I think scuttled off to Southeast USA to escape the shame.

All said, I can't really see any great shakes in shooting a dumb-ass Muskox that often stands there and looks at you while you take your time lining it up.
 
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