Thought experiment #1

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This is filled with assumptions that I believe to be true; but please disabuse me of any that are wrong.

Boattailed bullets can take a couple hundred metres to completely stabilize once they leave the muzzle.
I’ve read that one of the major factors in this instability is that the blast of propellant gasses flow around the bullet, remaining laminar for a relatively long period.
Short range benchrest shooters use flatbased bullets because they stabilize much faster and the bullets do this because the gas deflecting off the flat base interrupts the powder gas flow along the bullet.
Now if this stuff is true, wouldn’t barrel porting work to decrease groups sizes by reducing the size and power of the muzzle blast? Let’s say, 3”-to-6” back from the muzzle we bore a series of holes, following the grooves of the barrel, with the holes equalling perhaps 2 or 3 times the area of the calibre to ensure most of the pressure is bled down (for a .30 cal barrel, .30 cal equals about 0.071 square inches, so it would require 46 to 70, 1/16” holes). We would, of course have to carefully balance the holes to minimize any unequal thrust applied to one side of the barrel, we’d also have to minimize any stiffness loss to the muzzle, maybe by increasing the diametre of the barrel along the ventilated area to make-up for the loss of material.
Thus the bullet gets to coast through the final 3” of barrel and exit from the muzzle mostly undisturbed.

Would this work?
I doubt this is an original idea.
I’m familiar with “Magnaporting”; but I don’t believe the port area was sufficient in the examples I’ve seen and because the main purpose of it seemed to be recoil and muzzle-rise control, uneven thrust distribution would have not been seen as a drawback.
 
If it were to work, one hole of the appropriate size would work as the last 3" of barrel would hold the bullet true.
 
"...wouldn’t barrel porting work to decrease groups sizes..." Nope. Porting's sole purpose is to redirect to gasses to reduce felt recoil.
 
Well - I'm not sure about your theory regarding laminar flow etc - the bullet is travelling at supersonic speed - you'll need to read up about Rayleigh and Fanno numbers, rather than Reynolds numbers.
Perhaps the phenomenon can be considered in another manner - boat tails show advantage at longer distance because of reduced drag. Alternatively, flat based bullets have the potential to "set-up" better in the throat, particularly if the rifle has seen a few rounds.
 
I think short range benchrest shooters use a lot of flat base bullets is because there is no advantage to use a boat tail bullet at short range.

Also I believe a flat base bullet can be made more accurately more easily than a boat tail bullet.

At longer ranges any extemely small differences in accuracy are overcome by the better ballistics of the boattail.

The biggest problem with "porting" a rifle barrel is the potential loss of accuracy in the procedure of porting. The procedure as you describe would be very difficult to do and very expensive. You would be taking a match grade barrel that has been hand lapped by the maker to be as perfect as he can make it, and then trying to drill a series of holes into the grooves changing the dimension where the bullet runs drastically... a scary thought for me. Drilling wouldn't be feasible I think... EDM (the process that Magna-Porting uses) would have to be employed at the least.

And I have never examined a Magna-Ported barrel that didn't have some damage inside around the ports after having been shot a bit and they are always a pain in the ass when it comes to cleaning.

Just my thoughts...
 
I believe short range BR shooters use flatbase bullets primarily because most top custom bullet makers make flat based bullets! I believe most custom bullet makers prefer to make a flatbased bullet because it's more difficult to form a real good boattail and the BT forming punches tend to be a bit fragile. I also believe boatail bullets may have some advantage since the pressure ring at the base of the bullet is reduced or non-existent. I know the pressure ring can be problematic as far as establishing proper neck tension etc. is concerned.
I saw a Winchester report which in which it was claimed that a counterbore at the muzzle, 2 calbers in diameter and 2 or 3 calibers deep, acted to reduce turbulence and reduced bullet yaw. I have tried to prove or disprove this and have been unable to do so. Why not? Well, for a couple of reasons. One reason was, when I started out with a conventional crown on one rifle, it shot so well I didn't want to mess with it. That killed that experiment. The next one, I started out with the counterbored muzzle. Again, it shot so well I didn't want to change it. As luck would have it though, I decided to lighten the barrel a bit and had to recrown so I eliminated the counterbore. Shot just the same as before.
The configuration required for real precision rifles is well established; as are the methods employed to produce same. About the only thing which can be accomplished by alternative methodology is to be able to say " Hey! That works too!" Assuming it does, of course! Regards, Bill.
 
Something like a suppressor that strips and stabilizes the gases from around the bullet as it leaves the muzzle would have a better effect i'd think
 
It is easier to make a concentric flat-based bullet than it is to make a concentric boat-tailed bullet. Instead of a single 90 degree angle to work with the boat tail has 2 angles that must be made perfect.

The reduced drag from a long-range boat-tail was a trade off for the inherent accuracy of the flat base.

I do a fair bit of what I consider "long-range" hunting , 300 - 400 yards, and in truth any flat base I have tried has only 1 - 2 inches more drop at 300 yards than a similar weight boat tail. I shoot which ever type is more accurate in any given rifle and don't really care what heel design the bullet has.
 
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I just learned that's the reason why tracer trails looked so curly.
Those curly tracer trails are more likely due to the turbulence off the base of the bullet. Bullet yaw is only a few degrees which is something we couldn't see without specialized equipment.

It is easier to make a concentric flat-based bullet than it is to make a concentric boat-tailed bullet. Instead of a single 90 degree angle to work with the boat tail has 2 angles that must be made perfect.
What about rebated boat tails, which have a flat ring around the outer edge of the boat tail. These bullets are both very accurate and slippery as they combine the best aspects of both boat tail and flat base bullets.

I think the reason flat base bullets are more accurate is because it is difficult to make a highly concentric boat tail, especially at the outer edge where it meets the body of the bullet.

Let’s say, 3”-to-6” back from the muzzle we bore a series of holes, following the grooves of the barrel, with the holes equalling perhaps 2 or 3 times the area of the calibre to ensure most of the pressure is bled down (for a .30 cal barrel, .30 cal equals about 0.071 square inches, so it would require 46 to 70, 1/16” holes).
Have you considered just how much of the barrel would be taken up by 70 1/16" ports? It would be a considerable portion of any normal length rifle barrel which would in turn drastically reduce velocity.

Ronin is correct in that silencers tend to increase accuracy. There are two reasons for this. First as Ronin noted, silencers are very efficient at stripping away the gases from the bullet's base. Second, the addition of a weight to the end of the barrel tends to dampen the harmonics of that barrel which also increases accuracy.
 
Suputin said:
Those curly tracer trails are more likely due to the turbulence off the base of the bullet. Bullet yaw is only a few degrees which is something we couldn't see without specialized equipment.

No need for special equipment, you can see them fine in the video by watching the smoke/contrail.

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I've heard anything from 50 to 200 yards, probably depends on the bullet and twist, as well as how small they're measuring.
 
I've heard anything from 50 to 200 yards, probably depends on bullet and velocity and twist, as well as how small they're measuring.
 
No need for special equipment, you can see them fine in the video by watching the smoke/contrail.
The diagram you posted exactly backs up my assertion. Bullet yaw is no more than +- 2 degrees which is not something you could see with the naked eye several hundred yards downrange.

The curly smoke trails are the result of the turbulence off the base of the bullet.
 
I understand where you're coming from, but let me state my case:

-The second diagram shows exactly what we saw in the video clip.

-The frequency of the contrails matches a cannon twist rate, every 15 inches or so.

-This the cartridge - second from the left. I eyeball it at about 130 or 140mm long.
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I'm a little embarrassed I don't remember how trigonometry works right now, so I might have to look that up on the weekend!
 
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