Thoughts on getting a short-barrelled double...

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Dave L.

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I had an interesting idea based on the 8.5" ruling.

Well, I've always wanted to buy a sawed-off double-barrelled shotgun, just like in the movies. I mean, who doesn't? Obviously this thing would NOT be to shoot, because my wrists deserve better treatment. But even so I would like it to be functional, simply because I don't like fakes.

What I'm hoping I can do is get an ordinary, cheap, double-barrelled shotgun and cut off the stock using a wood saw and a file to leave only a pistol grip. At this point it would still have its original barrels and be well over 26". Then I would have to ask for a manufacturer to make me a set of 8" barrels and fit it to the gun. Then I could take a nail file and 'rough' up the muzzle to achieve that 'hacksawed' sort of look.

Would this be alright, providing I could find a manufacturer that would be willing to make me a set of barrels like that?

- Dave.
 
What happens when the legality of your imitation sawed-off comes into question. Do you think Police will belive you when you say 'No officer, I only made it LOOK illegal.' Don't get me wrong, I think your idea is a sweet one. But don't you think you're pushing the limits just a bit?
 
trying to get aftermarket 18.6" barrels would be a real pain in the proverbial rear end ... BUT I do believe that Ithaca made some of those back in the day, they would be restricted though as these were REAL short ...
 
You could get barrels made but the cost to do so would be measured in thousands of dollars. Near impossible to justify the expense to yourself even if it's a burning desire. Even less possible to recoup the gobs of money spent if you ever wanted to sell it off later.

Tim
 
Pte.BiC said:
What happens when the legality of your imitation sawed-off comes into question. Do you think Police will belive you when you say 'No officer, I only made it LOOK illegal.' Don't get me wrong, I think your idea is a sweet one. But don't you think you're pushing the limits just a bit?
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Well, I bought soap on a rope, so they'll find it hard to screw me. :D

Jokes aside, I figure any cops coming in to inspect my place are going to try and screw me over, regardless of whether I own a tame, civilised, refined, fine, hunting rifle-of-fine-proper-british-snobbery or the evil-assault babykilling machinegun sniper 50cal 12-gauge 9mm assault carbine of deadly destructive deadly death-defyingly devastatingly deathly doom. So it's not going to be any use trying to cover up my own enthusiasm merely to appease those who would attempt to screw me over regardless of what I do.

Foxer said:
Dave, seriously. We really really need to get you to quit trying to kill yourself.
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Ack!:eek:

- Dave.
 
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Adam said:
I think you would also need a manufactured stock, as I don't think you can cut it down yourself.

Adam
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Stop giving legal advice right now. Stocks are not controlled, never have been.



As for Dave, seriously, you have issues. You need to start living in the real world. "I'll just get a manufacturer to make me 8" barrels." Well if it's that easy, how come some kid with no liscence or money is the first one to come up with that idea?

As for roughing it up to look like it's sawed off, that about as stupid as most other ideas you've come up with.
 
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Armedsask said:
As for roughing it up to look like it's sawed off, that about as stupid as most other ideas you've come up with.
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Ah c'mon ! Give the kid a break ... It's not like you ever came up with weird-assed ideas yourself y'know ? ;)
 
Dave L. said:
I had an interesting idea based on the 8.5" ruling.

Well, I've always wanted to buy a sawed-off double-barrelled shotgun, just like in the movies. I mean, who doesn't? Obviously this thing would NOT be to shoot, because my wrists deserve better treatment. But even so I would like it to be functional, simply because I don't like fakes.

What I'm hoping I can do is get an ordinary, cheap, double-barrelled shotgun and cut off the stock using a wood saw and a file to leave only a pistol grip. At this point it would still have its original barrels and be well over 26". Then I would have to ask for a manufacturer to make me a set of 8" barrels and fit it to the gun. Then I could take a nail file and 'rough' up the muzzle to achieve that 'hacksawed' sort of look.

Would this be alright, providing I could find a manufacturer that would be willing to make me a set of barrels like that?

- Dave.
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Go to your local gun shop and/or LeBarons..

Ask about IGA/Stoeger Coach guns and have a look at them. They are cheap, rather decent build and suit that short backpack shotgun you are looking for.
 
Armedsask said:
Stop giving legal advice right now. Stocks are not controlled, never have been.



As for Dave, seriously, you have issues. You need to start living in the real world. "I'll just get a manufacturer to make me 8" barrels." Well if it's that easy, how come some kid with no liscence or money is the first one to come up with that idea?

As for roughing it up to look like it's sawed off, that about as stupid as most other ideas you've come up with.
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actuly, i belive from what i have read in the 870 8" threads that "alterd in any other way" means sawn or cut. the way you get around this with the 8.5"pistol grip 870s is its a factory stock. thus not alterd. if he was to cut it down him self he would be altering it as the RCMP interprets the clause.

then again, i could be completely wrong.
 
Kill it!
But sawing off to 18.6 is legal and has been done before...as long as OAL is min.26".
 
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Armedsask said:
Stop giving legal advice right now. Stocks are not controlled, never have been.



As for Dave, seriously, you have issues. You need to start living in the real world. "I'll just get a manufacturer to make me 8" barrels." Well if it's that easy, how come some kid with no liscence or money is the first one to come up with that idea?

As for roughing it up to look like it's sawed off, that about as stupid as most other ideas you've come up with.
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I wasn't giving legal advice, just always read/heard that the stock can't be chopped down;)

Adam

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Foxer said:
Dave, seriously. We really really need to get you to quit trying to kill yourself.
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:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Been there done that! Dave, if you really want a USEABLE short barrel double shotgun, check out the Marstar website. They have several Norinco made "Coach Guns" in 12 & 20 ga. They're actually pretty well made guns for the cash. Stoeger also makes some nice "Coach Guns" as well. Personally, I like the old school look of the external hammers.

Shooting ANY 12 ga in a cut down or abbreviated form is painful. Just ask anyone who has ever fired off a heavy charge in a light single shot Cooey or Winchester! It friggin' hurts! Same goes for short barrel shotguns, like the Remington 870/Norinco HP-9 with 14" or 12.5" bbls. Taking away weight, increases felt recoil exponentially. A good fixed stock and recoil pad can help alleviate that somewhat, but you're still dealing with some pretty fierce recoil.

The same thing goes for shotguns with folding stocks, like the Remington LEO folders. Ever wonder why so many of them come up for sale on a regular basis in the EE? Guys buy them for the "Look Cool Factor" shoot them a couple of times at the range, let the bruises heal and then immediately switch them out for a good fixed stock like the Hogue or Speedfeed.

Your idea, while it looks cool hypothetically speaking, really isn't that practical or useful in a real-world situation, even if you could legally cut down a double. Even the new Dlask 8.5" bear defence shotgun is going to be carried a lot more than its ever going to be shot. Its a last ditch, SHTF, save your ass kind of firearm. If Canada permitted open carry of handguns while in the bush, you'd see the same guys with the 8.5" Remingtons, carrying .44Mag & .454 Casull revolvers, because they're easier to fire and to master than a very big boom stick in a short package.

Believe me, shooting full-house 12 ga. loads out of a 20" 12 ga. Coach Gun will give you more than enough recoil to know you've fired something extremely fun! It makes for a good home defense gun as well, and you can use it for short range bunny hunting & grouse hunting as well.
 
...and guys, cut Dave a little slack. Sure he's young & his enthusiasm can get the better of him...well...a lot, but at least he's directing his energies into directions where he is constantly learning new things. How's the kid to know what's what without asking questions, no matter how hairbrained they may seem to us? We were just as naieve once upon a time! For us older guys who grew up reading Mack Bolan and the Survivalist...who here didn't want to own a stainless .44 Auto Mag or twin Detonics Combat Master 1911s?

We need more young guys like Dave to get involved in the sport. Just imagine the hassles and red tape he had to go through to take and pass his CFSC/CRFSC courses? Especially living in an urban area and his parents are tettering between being anti-gun & grudgingly neutral?

Instead of crapping on him, offer him some constructive advice. If his idea or question is off the mark, tell him straight up. One thing I've noticed about Dave is his openess and willingness to admit his screw-ups. Cut the kid some slack and be honest with him. He'll appreciate it and CGN won't have the reputation of being another elitist arsehole board where newbies are made to feel unwelcome. There's enough of those floating around cyberspace now!
 
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