TIGHT factory chamber!

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At the risk of being the primary slander office for the new Mod 70 Win the second rifle I brought home (Mod 70 Feather) chambers factory ammo only with the good force it takes to crank the bolt home on some necksized cases that should have been FL resized at the last reloading but weren't. These are Rem 180gr corelockts factory loads. Full length resized brass with the shell holder squished like a cowpie and trimmed to to length brass were no diff. Ya know I really want a decent f**kin Mod 70 with CRF but the first one had a warped stock and after $60-70 in gas and returning and f**kin around #2 that needs a f**kin chamber job. Is this the s**t we get crammed down our throats from Yankee land or is this the kind of s**t we can just expect from anyone who tries to revive the fossil formerly known as Winchester.
 
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At the risk of being the primary slander office for the new Mod 70 Win the second rifle I brought home (Mod 70 Feather) chambers factory ammo only with the good force it takes to crank the bolt home on some necksized cases that should have been FL resized at the last reloading but weren't. These are Rem 180gr corelockts factory loads. Full length resized brass with the shell holder squished like a cowpie and trimmed to to length brass were no diff. Ya know I really want a decent f**kin Mod 70 with CRF but the first one had a warped stock and after $60-70 in gas and returning and f**kin around #2 that needs a f**kin chamber job. Is this the s**t we get crammed down our throats from Yankee land or is this the kind of s**t we can just expect from anyone who tries to revive the fossil formerly known as Winchester.
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Buy a Remington 700 next time...............:D
 
I had a factory Parker Hale, "brand new" rifle, some years back, in 308, that had to be re-reamed by a gun smith just to chamber factory ammo. It came from an estate, never fired, now I know why. Absolutely nothing would chamber in that gun, no matter what combo we tried. The smith that did the work told me "you'de be amazed how many factory guns have screwed up chambers..."
 
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At the risk of being the primary slander office for the new Mod 70 Win the second rifle I brought home (Mod 70 Feather) chambers factory ammo only with the good force it takes to crank the bolt home on some necksized cases that should have been FL resized at the last reloading but weren't. These are Rem 180gr corelockts factory loads. Full length resized brass with the shell holder squished like a cowpie and trimmed to to length brass were no diff. Ya know I really want a decent f**kin Mod 70 with CRF but the first one had a warped stock and after $60-70 in gas and returning and f**kin around #2 that needs a f**kin chamber job. Is this the s**t we get crammed down our throats from Yankee land or is this the kind of s**t we can just expect from anyone who tries to revive the fossil formerly known as Winchester.
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Somebody told me that the American companies never send the best rifles up to Canada (from the ones who shoot a test group before leaving the factory)

Is it possible Winchester sends all its lemons to Canada ?
 
Finger Toes said:
At the risk of being the primary slander office for the new Mod 70 Win the second rifle I brought home (Mod 70 Feather) chambers factory ammo only with the good force it takes to crank the bolt home on some necksized cases that should have been FL resized at the last reloading but weren't. These are Rem 180gr corelockts factory loads. Full length resized brass with the shell holder squished like a cowpie and trimmed to to length brass were no diff. Ya know I really want a decent f**kin Mod 70 with CRF but the first one had a warped stock and after $60-70 in gas and returning and f**kin around #2 that needs a f**kin chamber job. Is this the s**t we get crammed down our throats from Yankee land or is this the kind of s**t we can just expect from anyone who tries to revive the fossil formerly known as Winchester.
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i don;t quite understand your post, does it chamber factory ammo?

If so, there is nothing out of spec, it is quite common or FL dies to not size down to original dimensions, and to get a rifle with a chamber on the small end of the tolerances and a die on the large end of the spec'd tolerance
 
Were those re-sized cases fired in a different rifle by any chance? If so you may be feeling the result of a previous chamber slightly larger than the one in your rifle. Remember the dies do not size all the way to the bottom of a case.

New rifle? Start with new brass.
 
Entirely possible that the final polish isn't being done on the chamber or the old nemesis of Winchester is still not resolved, the issue of the mid-60's, early 70's worn out tooling. State of the gun industry being what it's become, who knows where their marketing genius' are cutting corners. I didn't like the only new 70 I've handled and much preferred the feel of the X-Bolt. Looks like maybe the same mentality that Remington is showing is with the revived Winchester clan too - market anything you can dream up, hype the hell out of it, sell a bunch and change course again. Seen a 700 VTR??? Cripes.....the platypus of rifles and about as pretty as one too.
 
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Factory ammo was tight in this rifle.
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interesting,

check for obstructions, like some crud on the bolt lugs, the lug seats (have to poke around with a dentist pick or something), or something even inside the chamber, stuck on the shoulder area.

if not, i guess you;re on lemon #2.
 
Yeah, I scratched around and looked around for an obstruction with all manner of lights and stuff. I don't have a bore scope but I can't see anything. I cleaned the bbl before I tried any cases in the chamber. When they were tight the first thing I did was start looking for something I left behind by accident. The once fired and FL resized brass is definitely tighter than the Rem factory ammo. The BLR situation is a familiar one as well. I found lubing the necks when resizing and polishing the expander button made FL sizing possible with reg dies. The tight chambered BLR I have is very accurate (one of the old originals with a steel receiver) but whether that is due to the chamber is hard to say, I realize this is desirable ie. match chamber. The prob is I don't trust it as a hunting rifle because it won't always function properly and a feather weight rifle is hardly a match rifle design. I haven't shot his rifle yet, too damn cold -25 to -30 during day so I guess I'll wait a few. One more note on the new Win is the wood seems very soft and dents, scratches an chips at every minor injustice. I have ancient plain grade wood that wants to stand up better than this as well as new Browning model 71s.
 
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A chambering reamer wears... and get smaller (tighter). The last rifle chambered before they change over to a new reamer will have a tight chamber.

If they wait too long, it can be too tight.

It is easy to mount a good reamer on a T handle and stick it in and give it a few turns.

Few factories shoot test targets. They only shoot a few rounds to verify the magazine feeds, the bolt extracts and the gun goes bang.
 
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