Time out in middle of season?!

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Has anyone heard of a "time out" period between hunting seasons? I've never seen it before and just wondering why it's there for region 5....

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5-1 to 5-15 4 point bucks Sept 10 - Sept 30
5-1 to 5-15 4 point bucks Nov 1 - Nov 10
5-1 to 5-15 4 point bucks Nov 21 - Nov 30

5-1 to 5-15 Bucks Oct 1 - Oct 31

So from November 11 to November 20 you can hunt deer at all? Why?

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So from November 11 to November 20 you can hunt deer at all? Why?

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Well you can still hunt deer.

Whitetails are open with no rut closure - which is the gap you noted on the mule deer season. Mulie Does also are open in Region 5 on LEH basis from Oct 1 to Nov 30.

Also note that the "any buck" mule deer season has FINALLY been shut off during the entire rut as well as during September.
 
Well you can still hunt deer.

Whitetails are open with no rut closure - which is the gap you noted on the mule deer season. Mulie Does also are open in Region 5 on LEH basis from Oct 1 to Nov 30.

Also note that the "any buck" mule deer season has FINALLY been shut off during the entire rut as well as during September.

I noticed the any deer has been shut off which is a piss off around here. As for this gap, there wasn't a gap last year. What is the use of closing down Mule Bucks for only 10 bloody days? It's not like it's switching from 4 point or better to any... it's a gap in the middle of the November hunt!

As for hunting white tails, in 15 years of hunting for me, 20 for my dad, and 40 for my grandfather, none of us have seen a whitetail in 5-15 so buying a tag would just be a waste since I don't have time nor extra money to travel to a place that does have white tail just to hunt for 10 days. :D

I guess Im just ranting that there is a gap....
 
It's a rut closure plain an simple. Not sure WHY they did it as there isn't any shortage of game in the area...Me thinks it has something to do with GOs putting pressure to preserve trophy animals that might otherwise be taken by non experts during the rut..can't see any other reason for it, as deer populations are excellent and have been just fine 'forever' with the hunt open during the rut. The whole change is a bit idiotic as those animals are not in any danger, so there must be alterior motive to it..question is, what is it. Not sure about that exact area, but down this way the peak of the rut seems to happen right around the time they have opened that season back up, but it is likely somewhat different there.
 
There is a huge uproar over this. It appears as if it has been done for political rather than conservation reasons

There is lots more about it at http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=38373


Wildlife being mismanaged



Published: August 25, 2009 7:00 PM
Updated: August 26, 2009 9:06 AM

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Joint Letter to the Honourable Barry Penner, minister of Environment, on the need for improved deer and moose management in Region 5, Cariboo-Chilcotin.

Dear Minister Penner,

The eight signatories to this letter are retired senior wildlife biologists who have extensive wildlife management experience in the province of British Columbia.

We write to express our concerns about the lack of biologically sound management strategies for mule deer and moose in the Cariboo-Chilcotin region. This year’s regulation changes saw the continued erosion of hunting opportunities for BC resident deer and moose hunters.

The 100 Mile Free Press recently published several letters and articles from local residents complaining about the lack of hunting opportunities in the face of abundant deer and moose populations. Visiting resident hunters are seeking hunting opportunities in other regions or quitting hunting altogether, which has impacts on the regional economy — an economy which is already suffering from the severe economic downturn in the forest industry.

Overly conservative management of expanding deer populations results in damage to deer habitat; private gardens and ranchers’ hayfields; attracts dangerous predators to the urban/forest fringe; and can result in increased vehicle/wildlife collisions.

In numerous meetings and in correspondence with local BC Wildlife Federation members and in newspaper articles, the regional manager continues to rationalize his actions as being necessary to meet the needs of First Nations and for a perceived need to reduce the harvest of antlered and antler-less deer in order to restore the ### ratio.

As experienced BC wildlife managers, we recognize and respect the province’s responsibilities for conservation and its fiduciary responsibilities to First Nations. It is our professional judgment, however, based on population inventory data provided by the Williams Lake Wildlife Office and the provincial Annual Hunter Sample and anecdotal reports of experienced hunters and ranchers, including some of our own observations, that deer and moose populations have reached and may be exceeding the carrying capacity of their habitats.

Responsible wildlife management puts conservation first, considers all interests and prescribes sustainable harvest levels, which, in the case of the Cariboo-Chilcotin, means greater hunting opportunities, not fewer as prescribed by the Williams Lake regional manager.

The overly-restrictive regulations that have been implemented in Region 5 over the past 10 to 12 years place the deer and moose populations at risk for a severe over-winter die-off such as occurred in the Peace River in the 2006-2007 winter. Such die-offs occurred in the Cariboo and Chilcotin in the past when deer and moose populations exceeded the carrying capacity of their habitats and benefitted no one.

In our view, the actions of the Williams Lake regional manager are contrary to your ministry’s wildlife management policies. Instead of encouraging more hunters through more liberal harvests to meet the goals of your ministry’s Resident Hunter Recruitment and Retention Strategy and simplifying the regulations as prescribed in the Provincial Wildlife Harvest Strategy, the changes that were adopted for 2009-2010 added more restrictions and complexity to the already overly complex regulations.

Adjacent regions, namely the Omineca and Thompson-Nicola, have been administering successful moose management programs over a period of 25 years that sustain healthy, productive moose herds, produce more moose with fewer complaints and enjoy a high degree of public support. Despite these excellent examples, the Region 5 regional manager refuses to begin implementing a similar strategy.

We respectfully request that you institute an independent review of Region 5’s mule deer and moose management strategies. Pursuing your government’s goal of science-informed and consensus-based resource management planning will not be possible as long as key members of your administration fail to fully support your policies and develop their own unilateral approaches to wildlife management.

Yours sincerely,
Dan Blower, retired BC Ungulate Coordinator

Ken Child, retired Omineca Region
Wildlife Section Head

Ray Demarchi, retired BC Chief of Wildlife

Fred Harper, retired Thompson-Nicola
Regional Wildlife Section Head

Doug Janz, retired Vancouver Region
Regional Wildlife Section Head

Dave Low, retired Thompson-Nicola Regional Wildlife Biologist

Bill Munro, retired BC Wildlife Branch Deputy Director

Bruce Pendergast, retired BC Manager
Wildlife Inventory Section
 
Gatehouse THANK YOU for that and I plan on writing a letter myself.

First off they got RID of the any sized buck for all September and this stupid gap thing just makes it even more stupid!

Glad Im not the only one!
 
I remember reading somewhere and it stated that the Cariboo region supposedly has more hunters per capita than any other region in BC. Whether thats true or not I don't know but the hunting regulations and wildlife management for this region need to be redone!
 
I guess it all boils down to if you want quality or quantity.

There is no doubt in my mind that there are way fewer mule deer bucks - and in particular "mature" bucks - in my part of Region 5. The last few years of having all mule deer bucks open during the pre-rut and rut has resulted in a substantial over-harvest of bucks. The deer herds are still very large but the ratio of bucks to does has been skewed with the protected does making up the larger percentage of the population.

This summer another noticeable - and worrisome - trend has developed. Myself - and a few other who spend a large amount of time in the field - have been seeing many does with fawns at heel that are a month younger than they should be. Just last week we had a pair of fawns in our yard that were still in spotted coat. What this is telling me is that there are not enough mature bucks around to service all the does during the November rut.

My personal opinion is that more hunting should be focused on does to get the overall herd numbers down while letting the 2 and 3 year old bucks have some protection during the rut. I would like to see the early and late 4 point season continue as it has been the last few years. I would also reinstate the 2 buck region limit and actually allow a open doe season.
 
I guess it all boils down to if you want quality or quantity.

There is no doubt in my mind that there are way fewer mule deer bucks - and in particular "mature" bucks - in my part of Region 5. The last few years of having all mule deer bucks open during the pre-rut and rut has resulted in a substantial over-harvest of bucks. The deer herds are still very large but the ratio of bucks to does has been skewed with the protected does making up the larger percentage of the population.

This summer another noticeable - and worrisome - trend has developed. Myself - and a few other who spend a large amount of time in the field - have been seeing many does with fawns at heel that are a month younger than they should be. Just last week we had a pair of fawns in our yard that were still in spotted coat. What this is telling me is that there are not enough mature bucks around to service all the does during the November rut.

My personal opinion is that more hunting should be focused on does to get the overall herd numbers down while letting the 2 and 3 year old bucks have some protection during the rut. I would like to see the early and late 4 point season continue as it has been the last few years. I would also reinstate the 2 buck region limit and actually allow a open doe season.

That is also nice but around here (5-15), I have seen TWO 4 point and bigger sized bucks in 10 YEARS of hunting yet every year I see MULTIPLE younger bucks. In fact this year Ive seen more bucks (all youngsters) than does!

Ive seen so many people out here hunting large bucks most years I can't even travel more than 10 minutes without bumping into another hunter. Too many large bucks are being taken out of here that now there are barely any mature bucks left.
 
. Too many large bucks are being taken out of here that now there are barely any mature bucks left.

No. Too many 2 and 3 year old bucks are being taken. That's why you are seeing few big guys.

They can't grow into a mature deer when they are wrapped up in the freezer ...........

Juvenile mule deer during the rut have to be the stupidest creatures on this planet. They need all the protection we can give them.
 
Quantity is what the majority of BC resident hunters want. Most are "meat" hunters that will shoot a big buck if they see it, but are mostly happy with anything legal.

A short doe GOS in addition to the traditional regular seasons (not this years seasons!) will knock back some doe numbers and keep the deer herd healthy. The doe LEH isn't cutting it. Otherwise there will be a severe winter kill when we have a bad winter.

I never understood the need for any antler restrictions in early seasons, the deer arent' running around all dumb like in the rut:p
 
I agree with Gatehouse AND I do feel that 4 point or better seasons during the rut is the right way to do things..This allows the younger bucks to get to prime breeding age and help service more does and diversify the gene pool. It's the exact same idea that led to the implementation of the spike/fork bull only hunt...it's harder for those younger animals to get to breeding age, so allow them to be harvested as opposed to the big bulls that are breeding with a lot of cows. First two months should remain any buck GOS with the last half of November (or however you want to split it) being 4 point or better. I think it preserves younger deer's chances while allowing them the change to reach maturity, rather then allowing them to run around looking for a sniff and inevitably meeting up with an eager hunter. Myself I don't buy the quantity verses quality argument either, simply for the fact that the vast majority of hunters are just looking to put a 100lbs of deer meat into the freezer and could give a damn about how many points they have..don't do that myself unless it's desparation time but I certainly don't look down on anyone that does, and to them, that's all the quality they ever need..feeding their family.
 
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