Timney trigger instal in model 98 questions

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I am installing a Timney trigger with side safety and for the most part everything is ok just had to relieve around the trigger opening in the stock and also where the side safety lever slides, normal stuff,however I did also have to grind a little material off the metal rail in the trigger opening as it was interfering with the pivoting plate on the side of the safety,so far so good.
Now here is where I am having a problem, when I tighten the action screws to what I think is correct the side safety binds and this happens when the action is not in the stock just the bottom metal screwed to barrel and receiver so I know it is not hanging up in the stock, if I loosen the screws a bit the safety works fine.
I just noticed now after a lot of head scratching that it appears the very end of the trigger is actually touching the inside surface of trigger guard, and maybe this is why it seems that when I tighten the action screws that the trigger pull seems harder ( originally before I noticed the trigger clearance issue I thought maybe I imagining that is was getting heavier)and do you think it is possible that when I am tightening the screws that the trigger assembly may be getting tweaked.
Anyone one have any experience in installing these triggers or maybe encountered some of the same difficulties, please chime in.
 
Actions screws have the ability to bend an action quite easily. It's one of the reasons why glass bedding jobs should be done with no screws or clamps.
 
I guess I could just loosen screws until the trigger works but I worry about stock damage in a fairly stiff recoil of a 9.3x57. I guess there is no harm if I slightly remove enough material from the tip of the trigger until it does not make contact with trigger guard and see if that solves the problem when tightening the screws
 
You could also have a qualified smith bed your action and bottom metal correctly and insure the fit of the trigger...
 
SIGP2101 said:
What happens when action is in the stock? Pillars may give you just enough clearance not to bind trigger.
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No when in stock it still binds up, last night I tightened screws and tried to slip a piece of paper between trigger and inside of trigger loop and when tightened the correct amount the trigger binds on the loop and cant slip the paper between the two surfaces, when I back off the screws just a little but still too loose the trigger works perfect.
As 357 mentioned just a little file work on the tip of the trigger will fix it and then maybe off to the smith to get bedded,depending on cost as there is only so much money I am willing to spend on this old gun
 
lyktohunt said:
No when in stock it still binds up, last night I tightened screws and tried to slip a piece of paper between trigger and inside of trigger loop and when tightened the correct amount the trigger binds on the loop and cant slip the paper between the two surfaces, when I back off the screws just a little but still too loose the trigger works perfect.
As 357 mentioned just a little file work on the tip of the trigger will fix it and then maybe off to the smith to get bedded,depending on cost as there is only so much money I am willing to spend on this old gun
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Oh, I see now, not enough clearance between tip of the trigger and inside of the trigger guard loop metal surface. Right?
I would file off at least 1/8 to establish proper clearance by putting tip of that trigger in soft padded jaws of the vice protruding 1/8 of an inch and file it down flush fine Swiss file.
 
SIGP2101 said:
Oh, I see now, not enough clearance between tip of the trigger and inside of the trigger guard loop metal surface. Right?
I would file off at least 1/8 to establish proper clearance by putting tip of that trigger in soft padded jaws of the vice protruding 1/8 of an inch and file it down flush fine Swiss file.
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Yes that is the issue or was the issue, just a little file work done now and it all works perfect, thanks
 
Sounds like you are bending the action when you are tightening the action screws. Did the bottom of the trigger touch the trigger guard when the action and bottom metal are held together out of the stock with screws loose? If it didn't, and it does when the screws are tightened you are bending the action over the back of the box magazine. With proper bedding you do not want any bending to happened at all. Original Mausers came with a metal sleeve in the stock around the rear action screw to prevent bending the rear tang. With the proper length sleeve, the top of the magazine box does not make contact with the bottom of the receiver.
 
hart said:
Sounds like you are bending the action when you are tightening the action screws. Did the bottom of the trigger touch the trigger guard when the action and bottom metal are held together out of the stock with screws loose? If it didn't, and it does when the screws are tightened you are bending the action over the back of the box magazine. With proper bedding you do not want any bending to happened at all. Original Mausers came with a metal sleeve in the stock around the rear action screw to prevent bending the rear tang. With the proper length sleeve, the top of the magazine box does not make contact with the bottom of the receiver.
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Yes the bottom of the trigger did touch when the action was out of the stock and when installed in the stock the action screw had to be so loose that the stock had movement. I was and am careful of over tightening these screws. I will have to check the sleeve you mentioned, but at this point I do not remember seeing a sleeve ,
 
lyktohunt said:
Yes the bottom of the trigger did touch when the action was out of the stock and when installed in the stock the action screw had to be so loose that the stock had movement. I was and am careful of over tightening these screws. I will have to check the sleeve you mentioned, but at this point I do not remember seeing a sleeve ,
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The sleeve should be just long enough so that when the action and bottom metal are assembled with the sleeve, and both screws tight, there should be a few thou clearance all around the top of the magazine box and bottom of the action.
 
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