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I was watching an old "Capstick Shoots the White Rhino" VHS (yeah, you read that right) and Capstick had a set of rings that tipped his scope out of the way so he could use his open sights then tip the scope back ready for use. Any idea on a brand name for such a wonderful invention? Anyone ever used one? How far from Zero did it come back to?

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Ol capstick was popping that thing over and back like it was the style of the time LOL. Anyone have one that they want to part with? I think it would look good on a BRNO (which Im also looking for) which I would probably only use for the odd grizzly.
 
nof60 said:
Ol capstick was popping that thing over and back like it was the style of the time LOL. Anyone have one that they want to part with? I think it would look good on a BRNO (which Im also looking for) which I would probably only use for the odd grizzly.
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The name Weaver used for them is Weaver Pivot Mount. Here is a set that is in excellent condition.


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Most of the stories you hear about them being unreliable come from people who never used them. I have used them quite a bit, and buy every set I can find. They are very solid on the rifle when set up and adjusted properly. Every set I have used returned to zero properly. I have shot numbers of small groups, while swinging the scope over and back between shots, to demonstrate so.

Agree that there is nothing to be gained by flipping them back and forth over the receiver, however they are designed to be easily adjusted to compensate for any wear that occurs, IF they do wear. Have a set here that is about to go on a 9.3X62 Husqvarna carbine.

Pachmayr also made pivot mounts, called Lo-Swing Mounts, however his design was a little more complicated, as you might expect from a German gunsmith. ;)

Ted
 
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Those are the same ones I have, it has a Weaver 2.5-60 scope on it at the moment. They too are in pretty nice condition.
 
The first set I had came on a model 4000 Husqvarna LW in 30-06 I inherited from my Dad. I've had good luck with them and have since also installed them on my Marlin 444S, Marlin 1895GS in 45-70 and a Husqvarna model 3000 in 270 Win. From the applications and situations I've used them in over the years I've found as long as you keep the pivot screws snug and make sure the mating surfaces are clean prior to positioning the scope back into position, no problem. However, even a spruce needle where it shouldn't be when repositioning the scope will throw things out of whack significantly.
Just checked and I have one more Weaver pivot mount set-up that I picked up at the last local gun show. The plan is to use them on a Husqvarna model 1651 in 358NM:) I acquired a while back..
 
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Johnn Peterson said:
The first set I had came on a model 4000 Husqvarna LW in 30-06 I inherited from my Dad. I've had good luck with them and have since also installed them on my Marlin 444S, Marlin 1895GS in 45-70 and a Husqvarna model 3000 in 270 Win. From the applications and situations I've used them in over the years I've found as long as you keep the pivot screws snug and make sure the mating surfaces are clean prior to positioning the scope back into position, no problem. However, even a spruce needle where it shouldn't be when repositioning the scope will throw things out of whack significantly.
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That's it exactly! Like any other mounting system.

One thing most people are not aware of, is that you can actually shoot groups with the scope swung over off the base. The point of impact will move on the target approximately the same distance and direction that the scope moves, and the rifle will still shoot the same size group, only in a slightly different location. Accordingly, all the bullets still hit in a small enough area that any big game animal will be quickly dispatched. This is easily demonstrated off the bench.

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If any of you have a serviceable set to sell that fits the Remington 700, they also will fit my BSA CF-2, so I want them.


That worked. Thanks.
 
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I used to have them on my 270,[pre 64 Winchester].
Used them one morning when the fog was too thick to use the scope.[Scope kept fogging up].
I got the Moose.
They always worked very good for me.
I also had them on my 7mm Mag, Rem. Model 700 BDL deluxe.
 
nof60 said:
...Capstick had a set of rings that tipped his scope out of the way so he could use his open sights then tip the scope back ready for use. Any idea on a brand name for such a wonderful invention? Anyone ever used one? How far from Zero did it come back to?

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Capstick used the old Pachmayr lo-swing mounts. I used them on a couple of rifles, then gave them up as a bad idea. The Pachmayrs are a definite step up from the the Weavers, and were available in top and side mount configurations. There was a tensioning knob to tighten or loosen the rings, or they could be removed from the base altogether. They held zero decently well, but they weren't perfect. The biggest issue I had with them, is when I tried to run the bolt in a hurry, my thumb would hit the eyepiece of the scope and knock it out of kilter... kind of defeats the purpose of a quick second shot.
 
In the 1950s and 60s many hunters looked on the scope as an unreliable gimmick.
Weaver was turning out their K model scopes, especially the K2.5 and the K4 in great numbers and to satisfy those hunters who were leery of scopes, they developed the pivot mount and the see through rings, to enable a hunter to quickly revert to iron sights.
I consider the see through as being close to a catastrophe, because the scope is mounted too high to be comfortable, or an efficient sighting arrangement. I have bought the odd rifle with see through rings on it and I take them off and throw them in the junk box, even before I shoot the rifle.
On a good day, I consider the tip off, or pivot mount, to be a bit better than the see through variety.
 
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Many rifles now come without sights. This may be a bigger factor.
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And scopes got better, so fewer shooters worried about needing to switch to iron sights even if they had them.

I use a set of Weaver see through rings on my Savage 24. The barrels aren't perfectly regulated so I have the scope zeroed for the rifle barrel and the open rings let me use the iron sight for the shotgun. The scope is too high as H4831 says but there is enough I like about this gun to put up with that. None of my guns are perfect, but there are a few situations for which this one is my most appropriate, partly because of those see through rings.
 
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