To flute or not to flute, that is the question

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Hey guys,

I have a Tikka T3 Supervarmint in 204 Ruger, I was thinking of having the barrel fluted because I've always wanted a fluted barrel, this gun is strictly a gopher gun, I use it on all day gopher outings, with many many shots fired in a day, would I be loosing/gaining anything by having the barrel fluted? Weight of the heavy barrel is not an issue as the gun almost never comes off the bipod, I'd just be doing this for ascetics.

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Also are there different types of fluting? I really like The weatherby highpolish with black flutes, and finally where does one get this done?
 
I wouldnt bother with it. Leave her alone and spend the money you would pay to get it fluted on more ammo, or other gear.
 
I wouldnt bother with it. Leave her alone and spend the money you would pay to get it fluted on more ammo, or other gear.

X2 but its your gun and your money!

I dont know how much quicker it cools with it fluted vs not...
Pending your application or usage I guess it up to you!
And if its just for looks and you want it, Go for it!
 
I don't need anymore ammo, I reload so its not that expensive, I just want to change the looks up a bit. I'll contact RMR and see if there insterested in doing it, I'm not to fond of the Matte steel look, so I'll see if it can be polished up.
 
There are some who would argue that fluting the barrel will introduce additional internal stresses unless the barrel is cryogenically relieved thereafter. Personally, I wouldn't screw with it if the rifle is shooting good right now. Once you've shot that barrel out, then go get yourself a custom fluted barrel and have it installed if that is what floats your boat.
 
I'll see if it can be polished, that will be the determining factor, the matte grey just isn't doing it for me. Never thought of getting another barrel, suppose thats always an option.
 
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As long as you keep the amount of metal removed small, you can do all sorts of things. Some of them get pretty crazy. Polishing should not impact the accuracy of the barrel much at all.

Bob
 
If you are doing it for cosmetic reasons then by all means go ahead but if you think it will gain you anything other than a prettier gun...save your money. The cooling theory is highly overrated and the weight saving is pretty negligible.
 
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One of the reasons they do the matte finish is that it hides minor surface issues. If you simply polish the barrel, it will be nice and shiny. Then you will be able to see just how "non-flat" the surface is. Doing a good polish job is probably more expensive than some of the other options.

Bob
 
I'm no expert on guns, but I am a machinist. Do many people machine flutes after the barrel is cut internally??
I would wonder if machining flutes would make the barrel twist slightly. Just because the metal relaxes more when material is removed. Unless that barrel is completely stress free to begin with, and the cutting pressures are very low it may hold its shape. But stress relieving it after, wouldn't that throw off the bore??

I'd like to learn more about this, tell me how they do it.
 
I'm no expert on guns, but I am a machinist. Do many people machine flutes after the barrel is cut internally??
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Hi

Sounds pretty crazy doesn't it? Believe it or not, that's how they do it.

Barrel making machines "expect" a specific size blank outer diameter. All of the contouring on the barrel is done after it has been rifled. The trick is to properly stress relieve the blank before (and possibly after) you rifle it.

Bob
 
I'm no expert on guns, but I am a machinist. Do many people machine flutes after the barrel is cut internally??
I would wonder if machining flutes would make the barrel twist slightly. Just because the metal relaxes more when material is removed. Unless that barrel is completely stress free to begin with, and the cutting pressures are very low it may hold its shape. But stress relieving it after, wouldn't that throw off the bore??

I'd like to learn more about this, tell me how they do it.

I don't know jack about machining or gunsmithing but here is an excerpt from Dan Lilja's web page that I found informative.......


Q: Does fluting cause stress in a barrel?
A: We've been asked if machining flutes into a rifle barrel causes stress in the steel. The short answer is no, it does not. There are some operations in the manufacture of a rifle barrel that can cause stress to develop in the steel, but fluting is not one of them. To the contrary, fluting can and will relieve stress if it is already present. The same is true of any outside machining work performed on a barrel.

The type of stress that can exist in a barrel is called compressive stress. Under normal conditions the stress could form from two processes. When steel is manufactured, the round shape is formed through a rolling operation in the steel mill. This forming can be performed either hot or cold. Cold rolling generates a great deal of internal stress in the steel. Usually, with steel used for rifle barrels, this stress is relieved by heating the steel to just below its transformation or critical temperature. We have the steel mill that makes our steel do this as their very last operation, ensuring us that the steel is stress free when we receive it.

Secondly, stress can be formed in a rifle barrel during a cold forming operation, such as button rifling. Since no material is removed from the barrel when the rifling is formed, rather it is displaced, it causes compressive stress in the steel. If this stress is not removed, through a heat treating operation, it will remain in the steel where it can cause other problems. Any subsequent machining operations, such as turning the outside diameter of the barrel, will allow some of those stresses to come out. The result can be an opening of the inside diameter of the barrel, more so towards the muzzle where more material is machined away. It can and probably will also cause the barrel to warp. And if these aren't enough, the temporary heating and cooling of the barrel that occurs during normal firing will also let the stress come out by warping the barrel. Poor accuracy is the result.

Although a barrel would not normally be welded on, this can also cause stresses to form in steel. At times though, gunsmiths will heat barrels to sweat-on barrel bands and sites. Too much heat can cause some problems as well.

But, the fact remains that normal machining operations, such as outside turning, fluting, drilling and tapping site holes, etc. do not cause or introduce stress. They can and do allow residual stresses to come out of the steel though.

We flute about 50 rifle barrels per month and have never had a problem with our barrels related to fluting.
 
Hi

I might add that if you get a little "over ambitious" contouring a barrel you can heat it up and ruin it. Been there done that. It was a cheap barrel though ...

Bob
 
I shot Listowel with a Remington 700 stainless, fluted in .223 and found that the barrel cooled too quickly, quick enough for a POA shift of 1/2 during a reload (6rds).

I won't do staright fluted barrels. I have yet to run spiral flute to see if there's a signififcant shift.
 
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