Tombstone PLA-9 Approved for sale in Canada
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I just got back from shotshow the POF Tombstone was approved and confirm by a importer at the show ! They showed me the FRT to but it was named as the PLA-9 lever action rifle!
Only issue is 5 round magazine
If the price wasn't already a deal breaker (which for me, it was) then the 5 round limit is going to be for a lot of people I suspect. Who is going to spend $2500 on this when you can get a 357mag lever gun for half that price, which holds more rounds. We knew it was going to be limited to 5 though, as the magazine is originally designed for their 9mm semi auto carbine.
There is a serious demand for a manual action 9mm, especially if C21 passes, but this one misses the mark for our market IMO.
No update on armalytics yet (last update Dec 19 2022).
I can't understand the 5 round limit, not aware of any semi-auto rifles that are compatible with it? I figured this would be the 20 round mag so kind of interesting. If someone had imported the POF Phoenix (8.5" barrel pistol) as a handgun that would limit to the 10 round mag for the POF Tombstone (compatible rifle)? But then who'd do that given handgun transfer freeze / zero market, and again no data on armalytics? I've gone from sold to hold.
I can't understand the 5 round limit, not aware of any semi-auto rifles that are compatible with it? I figured this would be the 20 round mag so kind of interesting. If someone had imported the POF Phoenix (8.5" barrel pistol) as a handgun that would limit to the 10 round mag for the POF Tombstone (compatible rifle)? But then who'd do that given handgun transfer freeze / zero market, and again no data on armalytics? I've gone from sold to hold.
Due to the transfer freeze no new handgun platforms can become commonly available in this country, which is a requirement for the 10 round magazine limit to apply. Which means the magazine must conform to semi-automatic long gun requirements, because it is designed or manufactured for a semi automatic.
Good luck finding someone to design a magazine for a $2500 lever action. I don't see these selling well enough at that price for anyone to care.
And sadly modifying the gun to take a glock mag etc won't work either, if the magazine is swept back like a normal pistol mag it will interfere with the lever (or so Greentips said in his post about this gun from SHOTSHOW).
Thanks. So if the Phoenix didn't exist it would be 20 rounds, if the Phoenix was imported it would be 10 rounds, but because it's neither it's 5 rounds. I agree, at $2500 this is a problem nobody will care to solve. I'll wait, maybe see whether pumps come to Canada.
Correct.
The regulations about magazine limits specifically call out whether a firearm is commonly available with regards to the handgun limit, but not the long gun semi auto limit. Therefore, even if the long gun isn't readily available the semi auto limit applies if the magazine was designed or manufactured for it.
Note that the above regulation is telling you what is prohibited.
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AFAIK New platforms can still come in to the country, they just cannot be sold to anyone without an exemption. So theoretically it can still be imported and sold, and thus can meet the requirements.
It needs to be "commonly available". Only available to an extremely narrow list of people doesn't meet that definition to me, but I'm neither a lawyer nor a judge.
You'd also need to find someone willing to import it, the lab would have to approve it, and that is all assuming the import ban has been lifted? (I have no idea one way or the other with regards to the import ban). And that's all without considering C21's new definition of prohibited and how that could potentially impact on all of this...
I overlooked that, important detail. So the ideal 9mm lever for Canadian market should be designed with a detachable proprietary (probably curved) 20 round mag that is incompatible with any other semi-auto firearm (past or future). Unlikely? A horizontal tube mag would have risks, also unlikely. Perhaps integrated vertical mag (of ~5 capacity) with a side port could provide tactical reload and a more authentic cowboy feel?
Hope this is correct ad I've got a TON of 9mm I need to burn thru and this will be fun to shoot it with
Maybe a LAR-9 pistol, Colt SMG/Uzi style mag might work? But it is tricky since their Phoenix magazine is curved while the LAR-9 is straight, but at least it isn't swept back like a Glock magazine.
