too protective of the pet grouse?

I've got grouse, snowshoe hare and the odd partridge living behind my house. I'm also a very active hunter. That said, I wouldn't think about shooting any of the game on my property (covers about 7 acres of conifers with some open areas) I get a kick out of watching the bunnies hopping around my back lawn, munching grass, while my poor beagles freak-out at the rabbits running around in front of them, just out of reach. Hard on the dogs, but the bunnies have never been hunted, have no fear of me and other than being really noisy, simply ignore the beagles. I've also got tons of ruffed grouse. They walk across my paved driveway all the time. Gorge on cherries and dogberries in my trees and even hit the bird feeder now and again.

Watching them, can really relax you. They certainly bring me pleasure, so there is no way I'd shoot them. I think your hunting buddy was out of line, even if the birds happened onto his property as well. Chances are he knew that the birds were favorites of your kids and yet he still dropped the hammer.

I wouldn't have gone off on him, but I would've asked him to refrain from killing any other wildlife in the area...making the point that there is lots of game elsewhere, so why not appreciate the small pleasure observing these animals bring you and your kids?
 
lookout said:
wow dr phil and oprah are truly at work here, but I asked for it.
my neighbour and I get along and still do but I was genuinely upset that he still shot the birds after being asked to leave them for the kids to enjoy. Of course he can shoot them, but civility suggests that he drive the 5 minutes away that Maddog mentioned and shoot other birds.
its not about ownership, its simply about not s**tting in your own backyard.
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Is it all about what's legal? - what about what's moral? He did ask the neighbour not to shoot them so the kids could enjoy them. I love to hunt and enjoy my rifles, but don't wish to be seen as a gun toting beer guzzling redneck that has to unload on anything that moves. Your neighbour should stay home, sell his guns and get a Playstation and stick to GrandTheft Auto, now he can shoot anything he wants, anytime. :mad:
 
Well I would be upset if someone told me what to do on my own property.

If they also flew over his and that is where he shot them, well, he was just exercising his right over his own property.

The fact that you ASKED him to leave them alone, left it open for him to say YES or NO to your question. He obviously answered NO.

It would have been NICE if he left then alone.

But why should your rights and freedoms come before his?

Maybe he gets just as much enjoyment out of eating them as you do watching them?

Thats one of the bigger problems out there. Us trying to force our will on our neighbours.

Kinda like the non shooting public saying we shouldn't have guns.
Kinda like PETA saying we should leave all animals alone.

Where do we draw the line??????
Anyone??????
 
This topic is a toss up... IMHO, I wouldn't have shot the grouse "knowing" that the kids enjoy them... Let me give an example...

I have a good buddy Dale, he "adopted" his grandson, taking him as a baby out of a bad situation... Dale and his wife are raising Patrick as their own. Patrick has never known anyone else as mom and dad...

Well... Dale is a life long hunter, old school, BUT you can see he has mellowed in his later years... Patrick, as he grew, was VERY VERY interested in all the hunting that Dale was doing... So, at the request of Patrick, Dale began taking Patrick deer hunting on their property and sitting in a stand Dale and I had built...

Dale and Patrick sat in the that stand together, watching many many does, hoping for a buck, both "understanding" that they were there for a deer... On the occassion(s) that a buck did step out, Patrick would turn to his father and say, "Dad,... Your not going to shoot that deer are you???" and Dale replied each time, "No,... no son, I'm not going to shoot that deer"... Dale got skunked that deer season, but the end result is that Patrick is now a hunter, shooting and killing his own game. And Dale allowed Patrick to decide at his own pace when he was "ready" to hunt and old enough to see hunting up close...

In short, decisons are not right OR wrong, but they do have an impact on how the world around us is shaped...

Cheers
Jay
 
Jay said:
In short, decisons are not right OR wrong, but they do have an impact on how the world around us is shaped...Cheers
Jay
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Exactly my point, people seem to have lost the ability to decide for themselves what is right or wrong but would rather fall back on what the law says. The law said it was OK for that piece of crap in Montreal to own guns, you saw the results.
 
Jay said:
This topic is a toss up... IMHO, I wouldn't have shot the grouse "knowing" that the kids enjoy them... Let me give an example...

I have a good buddy Dale, he "adopted" his grandson, taking him as a baby out of a bad situation... Dale and his wife are raising Patrick as their own. Patrick has never known anyone else as mom and dad...

Well... Dale is a life long hunter, old school, BUT you can see he has mellowed in his later years... Patrick, as he grew, was VERY VERY interested in all the hunting that Dale was doing... So, at the request of Patrick, Dale began taking Patrick deer hunting on their property and sitting in a stand Dale and I had built...

Dale and Patrick sat in the that stand together, watching many many does, hoping for a buck, both "understanding" that they were there for a deer... On the occassion(s) that a buck did step out, Patrick would turn to his father and say, "Dad,... Your not going to shoot that deer are you???" and Dale replied each time, "No,... no son, I'm not going to shoot that deer"... Dale got skunked that deer season, but the end result is that Patrick is now a hunter, shooting and killing his own game. And Dale allowed Patrick to decide at his own pace when he was "ready" to hunt and old enough to see hunting up close...

In short, decisons are not right OR wrong, but they do have an impact on how the world around us is shaped...

Cheers
Jay
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Good story..thanks for sharing.
 
cdngunner said:
Where do we draw the line??????
Anyone??????
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The orginal post stated

" have (had) about 10 ruffies flying around my property."

If they are on private property then no one except the owner has the right to shoot these birds, that is the legality of the situation.

Once these birds leave his property then this no longer applies as these birds are not private property.

But having lots of meat birds around the area why would one want to take away this families pleasure of having these birds around? Especially when they had been told of the situation and asked not to shoot them?

KTK
 
Ken The Kanuck said:
The orginal post stated

" have (had) about 10 ruffies flying around my property."

If they are on private property then no one except the owner has the right to shoot these birds, that is the legality of the situation.

Once these birds leave his property then this no longer applies as these birds are not private property.

But having lots of meat birds around the area why would one want to take away this families pleasure of having these birds around? Especially when they had been told of the situation and asked not to shoot them?

KTK
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Well, for starters I dont think it has been clarified where the birds were shot!
Maybe "lookout" could clarify this.
The other person is a NEIGHBOUR, so it is within reason,to assume, that these birds were on his property too!.

If he went and shot them on "lookout's" property thats a whole different story.

But what gives "Lookout's" enjoyment of the birds priority over his neighbours.
Keeping in mind that they enjoyed them in different ways
 
powdergun said:
I will absolutely agree that any man has the right to his property and to determine who can or cannot hunt on it. However, wild game is not the property of the landowner and belongs to all of us. If the birds move off of his property and are in a legal hunting zone they are fair game. I am sick and tired of seeing property getting posted for the purpose of people keeping public game to themselves. Its getting to the point you have to be an F'ing British lord to hunt.:mad:
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You will if hanging on to a no shoot policy become that CNUT Macartney and toatally mess up all the wildlife around you. Here in the UK, the game is owned by the person who's land it is shot on unless the rights are leased. We rear and release many game birds giving them 6-8 weeks of total freedom before the season opens and yet some places are bare and other not. Unless Canuckistan we have year round deer shooting and are still overrun and the price of Venison at the counter is over £6 per lb. Go figure.
 
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