TOZ,Baikal or what is this-PLEASE ADVISE

[Coachgun67]

Hi.
I recently bought a russian SxS shotgun from an old Farmer...the only thing he could tell me about it,was 12 ga.2 3/4 and purchased new in the early seventies...I test shot it,liked the handling and took it home.
What i can tell so far:
Side by side 12/70, external hammers,double triggers,extractors,no seperate safety switch, four digit serial# :K 73 something (last two not readable),Top of barrel got the TOZ sign (circled in "T" in 3-Arrow triangle) and both barrels show T03-66 between the border engraving.A bunch of proofmarks at the bottom and the serial# also in the frame.Barrel lenght is a little above 28".
Wood is not laquered,rather beige with a touch of red.
Despite the fact that it was not used or cleaned for at least the tast ten years,it's in considerably good shape (easy to make a real nice one out of this) and the barrels inside are so mirror shiny that I'm wondering if they are chromed already...Now I'm wondering what I have and how much it's worth?
Checked the rest of the net alrady...so I's no IZH-43 or 49...

Please Help...

 

[Sharptail]

Coachgun67, you have a TOZ model 66. The "3" in TO3 is a Cyrillic "Z". Google "TOZ 66" shotgun and you will get a number of responses. They were also sold under the Baikal name.

I am of the opinion that they are a well made, if somewhat crude, shotgun. They have proven to be very durable and employ good quality steel. It is not unusual to find the bores in good condition, most were imported in the 1970's. They are also one of the rare breed of hammer guns that will shoot modern (lead) ammo. All the examples that I have seen are tightly choked, modified and full.

Because it is a) Russian and b) a fixed choke 2 3/4" which does not readily shoot steel shot, the value of these guns is in the $250 to $500 range, depending on condition and configuration. That makes them good value, and in my opinion they are better built than the present Russian offerings.

Congratulations on your find, these guns are fun to shoot and are generally well regulated. The drop at comb and heel are of modern dimensions. The length of pull might be a little short if you are of larger build, but a slip on pad will fix that if required.


Sharptail

 

[boltonscouter]

I have an older TOZ O/U (34ER I believe) that is a plain Jane but built like a tank. Marked USSR so pre fall of the iron curtain. Also has the Tula triangle logo. I like this in the fact it can be pinned to a specific manufacturer or plant since as I understand it, Baikal is not a specific make. I believe Baikal is the export marketing firm for Russian export so could be TOZ or IZH or ??? I think generally they are underrated and under appreciated and represent good value. Congrats on the find!

 

[Wild-Wild-West]

Hi there Coachgun67,

Does it look anything like this?

This is my Toz-66. Paid $160 for it, and had it quite a number of years. Its a light side-by-side and great for an upland gun. Mine fits me fine and I can regularly get great Trap scores with it. (I hear mileage may vary on these due to spotty construction, but mine works great! On the other hand, it can kick your shoulder blue if you rapid shoot it!

Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.

w.w.w.

 

[Coachgun67]

Coachgun67, you have a TOZ model 66. The "3" in TO3 is a Cyrillic "Z". Google "TOZ 66" shotgun and you will get a number of responses. They were also sold under the Baikal name.

I am of the opinion that they are a well made, if somewhat crude, shotgun. They have proven to be very durable and employ good quality steel. It is not unusual to find the bores in good condition, most were imported in the 1970's. They are also one of the rare breed of hammer guns that will shoot modern (lead) ammo. All the examples that I have seen are tightly choked, modified and full.

Because it is a) Russian and b) a fixed choke 2 3/4" which does not readily shoot steel shot, the value of these guns is in the $250 to $500 range, depending on condition and configuration. That makes them good value, and in my opinion they are better built than the present Russian offerings.

Congratulations on your find, these guns are fun to shoot and are generally well regulated. The drop at comb and heel are of modern dimensions. The length of pull might be a little short if you are of larger build, but a slip on pad will fix that if required.


Sharptail

Sharptail,you brought some light into my darkness,thanks!
The LOP is just fine...I'm rather short: a 5'6" guy.And after this info I'm sure going to keep her!

 

[Coachgun67]

I have an older TOZ O/U (34ER I believe) that is a plain Jane but built like a tank. Marked USSR so pre fall of the iron curtain. Also has the Tula triangle logo. I like this in the fact it can be pinned to a specific manufacturer or plant since as I understand it, Baikal is not a specific make. I believe Baikal is the export marketing firm for Russian export so could be TOZ or IZH or ??? I think generally they are underrated and under appreciated and represent good value. Congrats on the find!

Yep,I belive that without a second doubt...from my CAS times ,I still have my Norinco SxS (also Hammers)...and reworked to better fit already,still-beside my TOZ the chinese shotty looks like a YUGO beside a BMW...

 

[Coachgun67]

Hi there Coachgun67,

Does it look anything like this?

This is my Toz-66. Paid $160 for it, and had it quite a number of years. Its a light side-by-side and great for an upland gun. Mine fits me fine and I can regularly get great Trap scores with it. (I hear mileage may vary on these due to spotty construction, but mine works great! On the other hand, it can kick your shoulder blue if you rapid shoot it!

Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.

w.w.w.

Thanks for the pics,that's definitely the gun I have! ...your wood is a little different,but opening action and stamping/engraving of the metal are the same.Can you still get parts for her? (everything works...just if needed in future)