TOZ shotguns how do they compare

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This summer i will be looking for a couple new "toys".
Probably a 1911A1 and a shotgun for the trap line. Thinking of one the overunder they produce. How do the T0Z's fair? They state at Armurus that the Soviet olympics team uses TOZ. but im sure theirs are much better models
If any of you are trap shooters. Have you had much better scores since you got yor TOZ or have things more or less stayed the same? If they stay the same thats cool too. Also how have thing been in the field?
Also im sure the workman ship is there but how are the finnishes on the steel?
The stocks look nice but need some re finnishing as ive read but thats ok.
Thanks
 
my russian gunsmith has put hundreds of thousands of rounds through his TOZ o/u that he brought over from russia /w him years ago.. its still going strong
 
The finish on them is a hit or miss... But they shoot good and both barrels have nice thight paterns. High volume shooting doesn't mean the same to all people... But I don't see why they shouldn't hold up to a few thousand rounds...

If you get one and plan one doing lots of shooting, I would change the recoil pad... The Russian ruber is pretty darn hard!

My 2 cents,
Mike.
 
Unfortunately you can no longer buy new Toz firearms since Armrus has closed down :( ....

You may find used ones...

You may use any shotgun for Trap shooting. It does not have to be a gun costing thousands of dollars.

The Toz will do the job. It is simple, rugged and reliable. The metal and and stock finish are OK. Don't expect the finish to be in the same class as shotguns that cost many times more. But the gun will perform equally well.

IMHO, the way a shotgun fits you is more important than brand, barrel lenght, choke selection, features etc. My Toz-34 fits me better than any other shotgun that I have (or had in the past). As if this gun was tailor made to suit my physique. I rarely miss with this gun.

In contrast, my other Toz shotgun (Toz MC-21) does not fit me very well and my accuracy is not as good...

They state at Armurus that the Soviet olympics team uses TOZ. but im sure theirs are much better models
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Yes, they do have some higher quality models. However Armrus brought only the standard field models. Check the manufacturers website www.tulatoz.ru

Here is a picture of a high grade Toz-34

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The highest grade shotguns used by the top Russian shooters and their olympic teams are not made by TOZ.

They are made by TSKIB SOO (which is now a subsidiary of KBP). Both TOZ and TSKIB SOO are based in the city of Tula (hence the confusion). A few were actually imported by Armrus. By the way, TSKIB SOO also makes the RMO-93 RYSS pump shotgun, the BERKUT rifle and the MC-255 revolver shotgun, these were sold by Armrus.

A very interesting article about the high grade Russian shotguns purpose-built for sport shooting appeared in the clay-shooting magazine http://www.clay-shooting.com/guntests/vostokMU6.pdf

You can find more details about some of TSKIB firearms at the KBP website http://www.shipunov.com/eng/str/prod_str.htm

Some fine details can be found on this page http://www.shipunov.com/eng/str/hunt/artistic.htm

Just click on the pictures :)

All the best.
 
This is a tough position for me. I am torn between offending the people who already own the TOZ guns and warning potential purchases from buying these guns.

But when I read statements like this the decision is easy.
Don't expect the finish to be in the same class as shotguns that cost many times more. But the gun will perform equally well.
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They're junk pure and simple. To suggest that they will shoot as well as a Browning or Berretta is laughable.

Buy your Russkie delight if you wish but understand you are getting what you pay for. A crude, poorly manfactured shotgun dumped on the foreign markets.

If you want to shoot trap seriously then the TOZ isn't the gun. TOZ sounds like POS and with good reason.
 
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a toz is like an old hooker(or a fat chick) good strong well built and will get the job done but you might not let your friends see you. that said my toz is awesome no trouble and shoots great.
 
Ive been shooting trap for a few years now not all that long. Ive got a beat up 1100 trap thats having some cycling problems which im sure i can fix.
Ive also been looking for an over under. Ive shot a few and liked em.
I myself want an inexpensive gun but is on par. For instance its not a shotgun but a good example. Ive shot a norinco 1911 and a colt and didnt notice a difference. Just want a good preforming gun that will line up nicely. Im not that big a guy so i dont want a really bulky gun either. Mabey i should just buy a 11-87 supermag. Does anyone know if 1100 stock and fore end work on them, cause i like the stock ive got. thanks
Heres my current shooter.
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They're junk pure and simple. To suggest that they will shoot as well as a Browning or Berretta is laughable.

Buy your Russkie delight if you wish but understand you are getting what you pay for. A crude, poorly manfactured shotgun dumped on the foreign markets.

If you want to shoot trap seriously then the TOZ isn't the gun. TOZ sounds like POS and with good reason
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I have come across a few people who said the same type of unkind words about TOZ firearms.

They all had one thing in common : They never owned a TOZ...
 
Claybuster said:
. They're junk pure and simple. To suggest that they will shoot as well as a Browning or Berretta is laughable.

Buy your Russkie delight if you wish but understand you are getting what you pay for. A crude, poorly manfactured shotgun dumped on the foreign markets.

If you want to shoot trap seriously then the TOZ isn't the gun. TOZ sounds like POS and with good reason.
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Do you own this shotgun? Or is this just armchair commentary? I will agree that the TOZ isn't finished as nicely as other guns. But personally, I love my TOZ - a great o/u at around $290.00 shipped from Armrus.
 
IANC- Your 1100 forend will not fit an 1187 barrell without some inletting! PM me on your cycling problems with your 1100, perhaps I can offer some help.
 
No I don't own a TOZ. But I have examined, shot and taken apart a couple. That was enough to convince me that I wouldn't own one.

As I said my choice was between irritating the TOZ fans or trying to prevent a new shooter from buying a gun that I think isn't very good. I'm coming down on the side of the new shooters.

If a TOZ makes you happy then enjoy yourself. But don't delude yourself or others that it can perform as well as a Beretta, Ruger or Browning.
 
I think shotguns are a little like cars... some people will only buy BMW's, some people would rather walk then be seen driving a Suzuki...

If the Russian's gun would be such a POS, I wonder why Remington and Winchester are starting to import them... I wish I could find that article about some well known bristish shotgun company that was buying un-finished "russian" action to build their guns on... Anyway, the diehards were saying the samething about the Browning when they moved the production to Japan...

I wish I could own a Krieghoff K-80 or a Kolar... But I guess I have other priorities...

IanC,
How much money are you willing to part with?
For you 1100, I assume that you changed the various seals and the recoil spring?

Safe shooting,
Mike.
 
sillymike said:
If the Russian's gun would be such a POS, I wonder why Remington and Winchester are starting to import them... I wish I could find that article about some well known bristish shotgun company that was buying un-finished "russian" action to build their guns on... Anyway, the diehards were saying the samething about the Browning when they moved the production to Japan...
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I'm not sure which Winchester you are talking about but the Remington Spartan line is being made by Baikal. Relative to the TOZ I think the Baikals I've seen are a better guns and I'm no particular fan of Baikal.

Any basic action if put in the hands of a good maker can be made quite acceptable. What you pay for with a good o/u isn't raw materials but the quality time spent making those materials into an acceptable gun.

And as for Brownings if you check the prices of the used Belgian guns versus the Japanese editions you'll quickly learn the diehards were right.

If all you have is $300 to spend I think a shooter is a lot better off with a Remington 870 Express than a TOZ.
 
I can pretty much state that I would have never tried trap shooting if I had not bought the TOZ 34 o/u for 292 shipped from Armsrus. I figured for the price it was worth it. I quite enjoy shooting skeet with it. It has nice light trigger pulls, points nice, patterns very well and works every time. I am quite sure that it does not look as nice as a high end shotgun but it works more than well enough for me. Also, if it gets scratched it would not bother me at all, try having that attitude with a 1500+ dollar O/U...
 
Claybuster wrote :
But don't delude yourself or others that it can perform as well as a Beretta, Ruger or Browning.
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That's not true. It will perform just as well. The "B" guns will just provide a nicer finish, finer engraving, a more glossy brochure and a lot more "snob" appeal.

We all have different tastes and priorities. But, please let's show respect to all firearms (ours and other people's). Let' s refrain from using words like POS. After all we have enough enemies who would like to have ALL our guns taken away...

I'm not sure which Winchester you are talking about
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It' the new "Wildcat 22" which is a Toz-78 with different stock: http://www.winchesterguns.com/prodinfo/catalog/detail.asp?cat_id=525&type_id=100&cat=018C

It is the first firearm that HERSTAL FN (The parent company of Browning & Winchester) is importing from TOZ. There may be more in the future.

Have a good look at my avatar Claybuster. It is the logo of TOZ. Who knows, you may see it engraved on a future Browning that you may like and decide to purchase :)

All the best.
 
Tozman said:
It will perform just as well. The "B" guns will just provide a nicer finish, finer engraving, a more glossy brochure and a lot more "snob" appeal.
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When you put 70 thousand rounds through a TOZ and shoot it on a twice weekly basis as I have with a Beretta let me know how it holds up. If you don't understand that the difference is more cosmetics and snob appeal then you have a bit to learn about target shotguns.

Tozman said:
We all have different tastes and priorities. But, please let's show respect to all firearms (ours and other people's). Let' s refrain from using words like POS. After all we have enough enemies who would like to have ALL our guns taken away...
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Respect for a TOZ. Not likely based on the ones I've seen. I'm not your enemy but I am offering my opinoin on the TOZ as I see it.

Tozman said:
It' the new "Wildcat 22" which is a Toz-78 with different stock:
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It's not a shotgun. That's like saying the Lakefield/Savage boys could build an o/u that could compete with Beretta.:rolleyes:

If the TOZ makes you happy then be happy. But if you are in the market for a new gun don't be misguided into thinking a TOZ is in the same league with a Beretta or Browning.

Anyway I've said my piece on the subject. Buy and own the guns you want and enjoy them.
 
I recently shot a couple of rounds of skeet with a buddies TOZ-34.

It seemed pretty light but balanced, needs more weight all over to be a serious target gun but other than that it felt pretty solid from my limited trial.

My only concern would be much the same as claybusters. "What will it look like after 100,000rds." Most years I shoot 5-7k rounds through my target gun, and so will you if you get addicted to clays. ( I bought a used 425 that had probably already seen 50k rds and havent had any problems yet)

Can they be easily rebuilt like a B-gun?

I would consider one for a backup based on the price if I didnt already buy an American Arms Silver 2 for about the same cost. (And if they didnt put those god awfull sling swivels on it.........)
 
Claybuster covered it all in my opinion, let us know after 10,000 rds. how your tos/pos are holding up and after hopefully coming to your senses what name brand, reliable target shotgun you finally decided to go with so that you FINALLY COULD START ENJOYING THE SPORT AND START TO BREAK A FEW DECENT SCORES!! Where do you toz/pos boys go for warranty service, looks like that fly by night armrus outfit folded their tents after taking your HARD EARNED MONEY!!!!
 
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