Tracking and sighting the clay

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My brother and I were out the other day throwing a few clays for fun and practice. I am very new to this and he is a total newbie.

I found that for me what worked best for actually hitting the clays was for me to track them with both eyes open and then switch to one eye (dominant right) for final sighting before pulling the trigger.

I'm sure that this is all sorts of wrong but it seemed to work best. If I tried with both eyes continuously open I had difficultly hitting any. I found my left eye would somehow become dominant and then I was of course not sighting down the barrel.

As I am just starting out I would like to have proper technique that I won't have to unlearn later. Should I keep practicing using both eyes open and work at focusing with my right eye?
 
If you have eye dominance issues it will complicate things... The idea is you keep your eyes on the target at all times and ideally the barrel will follow where you are looking. Trying to use the beads as "sights" will be a limitation. Personally I just use the beads to get my mount consistent- when I shoot a clay I don't have any recognition of the beads. My advice would be to not over think it at the beginning and just do some blasting. Once you have a few thousand targets down you will start working out what works for you and what doesn't. It is a fallacy to think that there is some single magic technique that works for everyone- but some habits are definitely better than others. Keeping both eyes open may be better- but if you are cross-eye dominant this will really mess you up. To use two eyes you have to use a blocker on your dominant eye or just stick to one eye- there are some pretty good one-eyed shooters out there...
 
I asked whether he uses the beads as sights, because from what I have seen, it seems to be a more common mistake with one eyed shooters, than with shooters that keep both eyes open. The one piece of advice that I give new shooters is to keep swinging the gun, as the most common mistake seems to be stopping the swing to pull the trigger.
 
I'll give that a try. I think too that taking some basic advice like that and just practicing more may help me work out things. Much like golfing, I get thinking too much about technique just before and then get all messed up!
 
The other thing you guys need to consider is where your gun is shooting. Have you patterned them at all. I shot with a new guy the other day whose gun turned out to be shooting an inch low at 13 yards. No wonder he couldn't hit anything. For a beginner, your gun should shoot flat or a bit high at 13 yards. 13 yards will give you the point of impact and then take it out to 30 to see what the pattern looks like.
 
Took me a while to realize that I was always shooting low at Sheet.Less problem with Trap. Tried several different methods of aiming/pointing/standing. Still haven't found the solution to being consistent. Maybe couple more thousand rounds.
 
The other thing you guys need to consider is where your gun is shooting. Have you patterned them at all. I shot with a new guy the other day whose gun turned out to be shooting an inch low at 13 yards. No wonder he couldn't hit anything. For a beginner, your gun should shoot flat or a bit high at 13 yards. 13 yards will give you the point of impact and then take it out to 30 to see what the pattern looks like.

With the size of the pattern, you could be 1" low at 13 yards, and never notice it shooting skeet or hand thrown targets. The vast majority of misses at the clay sports are because the shooter is behind the target.

Took me a while to realize that I was always shooting low at Sheet.Less problem with Trap. Tried several different methods of aiming/pointing/standing. Still haven't found the solution to being consistent. Maybe couple more thousand rounds.

That could quite likely be due to the gun not fitting you properly.
 
The other thing you guys need to consider is where your gun is shooting. Have you patterned them at all. I shot with a new guy the other day whose gun turned out to be shooting an inch low at 13 yards. No wonder he couldn't hit anything. For a beginner, your gun should shoot flat or a bit high at 13 yards. 13 yards will give you the point of impact and then take it out to 30 to see what the pattern looks like.

Sound advice uncle Neil would be proud.
 
Uncle Neil did the math. Its hard to argue with math, or results. I have a harder time agreeing with his opinion on reading target breaks but he did the math there too.


On the target vids it sure looked like a very open choke was used for some that I watched. Anything can happen with the spry and pray chokes IMO.
 
If I am having an issue shooting well with a particular shotgun, I pattern it at the distance that I generally shoot with that gun. For skeet, I pattern at around 20 to 25 yards, and I get to see not only where the gun shoots, but what the pattern looks like at that distance. For trap, I would use 35-40 yards, and for a field gun generally 25 and 40 yards. I have seen people shoot very poorly due to guns that don't fit them, but people trying to aim shotguns like a rifle, or stopping the swing, usually causes even more misses.
 
Yes, you may be overthinking this at your level of experience. Don't worry, most competitive shooters do this, changing chokes, changing guns, changing shooting style, changing ammo, changing glasses, even changing their socks or shoes, always looking for one more target.
The beads are for alignment when mounting the gun to assure that your head is properly positioned. They are NOT sights like on a rifle. In essence your shooting eye acts as a rear sight.
Rifle shooters learning to shoot flying targets with a shotgun tend to try to freeze or stop the bird, a sure way to miss behind. Your target is moving, your gun must continue to move as well with good follow through.
Proper gun fit means nothing with a rifle because you can position your head anywhere to align the sights. On a shotgun, gun fit is everything. You weld your cheek to the stock in exactly the same place every time and if you are looking perfectly down the rib, when you swing the gun to and through the target with your fore hand you just need to get your trigger timing in sync and the hits will come.
Close your eyes and bring the gun to your shooting position, then open your eyes. If you are looking straight down the centre of the rib and can see just a little of the top surface you would hit what you are looking at and the gun fits you quite well. Do this 10-20 times to check for consistency . This is just a rough and dirty check for fit but it can point you in the right direction. If the fit is poor you will need a better fitting gun to hit consistently. Although lots of practice with this gun will enable you to adapt somewhat, you will never shoot it as well as one that fits properly.
Both eyes open is better for shotgun shooting because with one eye closed you have no depth perception. This is particularly important in sporting clays and hunting. Some trap shooters do very well closing one eye or using something to block the weak eye such as small patch on the shooting glasses or a full patch, some close an eye, some shoot both eyes open or one squinted. There are excellent shooters using all of these methods so none is the best overall for everybody. Skeet is a very quick close range sport and using both eyes is an advantage . In sporting clays and five stand with their infinitely varying target presentations depth perception becomes more important to establish target distance, speed and flight path. Most of the best sporting clay shooters either shoot with both eyes open or squint the off eye. Hunting, with it's completely unpredictable targets is usually better served by shooting instinctively with both eyes open, with maybe waterfowl being an exception.
Above all, learning to hit flying targets with any consistency usually takes practice, practice, practice, just like golf, fly casting, curling or any other sport involving motor skils. Good luck and have fun.
 
A very newbie question I'm sure, but why even have a bead on the barrel then? If you have a purpose built trap gun or skeet gun why bother?

I shoot a mix of pre-mounted gun-up and gun-down (why is whole other subject so I will save that for a different time). When I shoot gun-up, I make sure the gun is properly in the pocket of my shoulder, that my cheek is pressed properly onto the stock, and then I use my dominant eye to check proper alignment by looking down the rib at the bead. After that though, I have a conscious and very purposeful step just before I call for the bird where I force my eyes off the bead to focus on something way out there, then I move my eyes (BOTH of them, OPEN) to the point where I think I will first see the bird, but leaving the gun far enough ahead of this point that the bird will not get infront of the gun as I start my move.

After checking alignment, the bead is almost as much of a liability as it is an asset, for if my eyes come back to focus on the bead I will almost certainly miss.

Cheers, and good luck! I have never had as much fun with a gun as I do now that I've "discovered" sporting clays & skeet.

Brobee
 
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