Traditions

It comes down to usage. If you use it to hunt, within 150 yards, a Traditions inline is all that is required. Better fit and finish will not make the deer any more dead. Better fit and finish will not make it any easier to carry. The basic use of a rifle is to fire a projectile and a Traditions inline will do the same job as a T/C or knight within the parameters above.

The comparison would be more like:
Traditions = Dodge Durango
T/C = Porsche Cayenne

Functionally, they both do the same job, but one costs a lot more and looks/feels a bit better.
 
TC = Porsche?? RAOTFLMAO.... You guys need to get out more....LOL.
I can't speak about inlines... never owned one. But I would hesitate to shoot a gun that has been known to blow up with a factory recommended load. Even if no one has any business stuffing 150 grns down there.
I can say Traditions sidelocks are poorly made. I would not buy another and I would not recommend one, especially a flinter.
If you want one.... hey, fill your boots!
 
Smokepole said:
Just to be clear... I have owned several CVA and Traditions guns. They are crap compared to better made guns production ML's like Lyman and TC.
As for Bobby's comment that we bad mouth without owning one..... I don't think Bobby has owned anything better than a Traditions..... If I'm wrong on that, let me know.
Run a search for CVA (Taditions) and breech failure and see what turns up. There are several law suits in progress from failures caused by the 'recomended magnum loads' of 150 gr. pyrodex pellets. There is a word for a piece of Spanish rifled tubing with a 150 gr. pyro and a projectile rammed down..... it's a pipe-bomb.
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The only reference to lawsuits is in a Chuck Hawks article (and other outdoor forums that direct their readers to the same article) specifically during the 1995-1996 timeframe. I beleive the CVA Appollo was the culrpit. Traditions was lumped into that pile because of it's Spanish origins & Eibar Proof marks (to low). CVA has tried to savy up their image by offering "Bergara Barrels" Wow, thats like saying "genuine Wainwright Water". Nothing have changed..still taste's like hell.

Interesting note: The now defunct Austin and Halleck barrels were of spanish origin as well. However, A&H took the extra steps to proof their barrels to a SAAMI standard when they got stateside. I don't think you can fix a substandard barrel. They just didn't use them.

I think that there was a time when there was REAL and definite issues - 12 years ago.

Spanish ML's (Traditions / CVA) fill a niche for low cost ML'ing. You get what you pay for. Some are real shooters, others...not so much

Hakx
 
The Dodge starts at $42k, the Porsche starts at $55k, so I guess my analogy does suck. Paying only 30% more in the SUV world gets you a "status" SUV that does the same job as a boring one, but with better fit and finish. In our firearms comparison, we're talking 200-300% more for one that does the same job. Maybe a gold plated Escalade would be a more apt choice.

As far as KB's go, a cursory search on Google will find third hand accounts by people who can't spell or use punctuation. I would imagine that the truth lies somewhere in the middle: they're fine with 150 grain charges of Pyrodex as long as you don't pull a whoops like not seating the bullet directly on the powder or throwing in more than the maximum charge allows. A newbie might do something stupid like this and because of the price of these rifles, a newbie would be more apt to buy one instead of blowing a ton on something else.

If action strength were a concern, I'd go for the Savage 10-ML.
 
hakx said:
The only reference to lawsuits is in a Chuck Hawks article (and other outdoor forums that direct their readers to the same article) specifically during the 1995-1996 timeframe. I beleive the CVA Appollo was the culrpit. Traditions was lumped into that pile because of it's Spanish origins & Eibar Proof marks (to low). CVA has tried to savy up their image by offering "Bergara Barrels" Wow, thats like saying "genuine Wainwright Water". Nothing have changed..still taste's like hell.

Interesting note: The now defunct Austin and Halleck barrels were of spanish origin as well. However, A&H took the extra steps to proof their barrels to a SAAMI standard when they got stateside. I don't think you can fix a substandard barrel. They just didn't use them.

I think that there was a time when there was REAL and definite issues - 12 years ago.

Spanish ML's (Traditions / CVA) fill a niche for low cost ML'ing. You get what you pay for. Some are real shooters, others...not so much

Hakx
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I think your absolutely right.......the only one I heard of was a CVA(and it was a Chuck article).
 
Just a little blurb from the article in question. Randy Wakeman wrote it, not CH.

"Would anyone in their right mind reload a smokeless cartridge to twice the SAAMI specifications? Don't today's muzzleloading companies actively promote similar practices? Who is more stupid, the people that ignore pressure ratings on barrels or the companies that tell you it is somehow "okay" to fire charges in barrels that have never been individually tested to take such pressures?

Call me dense, but what smokeless powder firearms manufacturer directs you to set off any single load in any single gun at near proof pressure in any barrel under any circumstances, much less exceed it? Yet, some muzzleloading companies, apparently, do it all the time. Wouldn't a lot of people like to know what that might have to do with their gun, and what pressure their gun is really proofed for? Pressure limits are no secret in SAAMI / smokeless-land; in muzzleloading, they apparently are!

Hodgdon Powder Co. has long warned that either 100 grains Pyrodex pellets in .50 caliber or 100 grains Triple Seven pellets in .50 caliber is the MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE LOAD. When muzzleloading manufacturers deviate from the propellant maker's warnings, the burden is on them to prove its safety."


Save your face, buy American steel or limit your loads to 100gr or less.;)
 
Hi,

Just bougth a Traditions Yukon ML and very impressed with results. I think it's the same gun as the Remington Genesis for half the price. From what i read on the internet, they are both made by Adresa (Spain). If Remington puts his name on this rifle it should be safe and accurate right?

I scoped with a Bushnell Banner 1.5x4.5x32 and it's more accurate than some of my rifles out to 100yds.

OK it is cheapy made but it's an accurate and deadly tool for hunting in blackpowder only area.

Pros: very accurate with 300gr SST sabot and 100gr of 777.
Finish is OK
Cool falling block look (sorry do not like break actions)
Easy to clean

Cons: lots of plastic
Cheapy made, but not worst than some Mossbergs, Savages and Remmys.


Overall: This guns do the job and i am happy.


PS: I much prefer going to my hunting camp with a Durango than a Porsche Cayenne.
 
my first muzzloader was a ROSSI sold it to my brother,my second one was a REMINGTON BOLT ACTION very hard to clean ,but a good shooter ..my third one a TRADITION LT good shooter but the alloy receiver got damaged after i shot it 70 or 80 times ..i upgraded [4th one] to a TRADITION PRO again very accurate but trigger pull was around 30 lbs ..and sometimes the primer would mot go off [something wrong with the breech plug ] so for my 5th one i went back and got anouther ROSSI [second serie] tighter fit ,no blow back ..and accurate to 100 yds+++ ...next one will be a T/C TRIUMPH ,very smooth action ,easy to clean,not barrel heavy like the spanish mod..breech plug removal is a 1/4 turn ..oh yes as they say "qualite has a price"
 
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I have a traditions Yukon and agree with Jimbo69. Its a good gun, that's after it went to traditions warranty centre in Ontario because it mis-fired every 2nd shot on my first trip to the range. Also the stock cracked the same day. I almost gave up but after having the spring replaced I tried it again and I was pleasantly surprised. It is accurate and a pleasure to carry in the field for a day, I've had no more problems.
 
blargon said:
Just a little blurb from the article in question. Randy Wakeman wrote it, not CH.

"Would anyone in their right mind reload a smokeless cartridge to twice the SAAMI specifications? Don't today's muzzleloading companies actively promote similar practices? Who is more stupid, the people that ignore pressure ratings on barrels or the companies that tell you it is somehow "okay" to fire charges in barrels that have never been individually tested to take such pressures?

Call me dense, but what smokeless powder firearms manufacturer directs you to set off any single load in any single gun at near proof pressure in any barrel under any circumstances, much less exceed it? Yet, some muzzleloading companies, apparently, do it all the time. Wouldn't a lot of people like to know what that might have to do with their gun, and what pressure their gun is really proofed for? Pressure limits are no secret in SAAMI / smokeless-land; in muzzleloading, they apparently are!

Hodgdon Powder Co. has long warned that either 100 grains Pyrodex pellets in .50 caliber or 100 grains Triple Seven pellets in .50 caliber is the MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE LOAD. When muzzleloading manufacturers deviate from the propellant maker's warnings, the burden is on them to prove its safety."


Save your face, buy American steel or limit your loads to 100gr or less.;)
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I agree!!! Hodgdon says 100grs. MAX.............That means max> period!!! Most manufacturers suggest or indicate "magnum" capability (150 grs.) which is absolutely stupid considering that they are not taking into account different bullet weights and difference in primers!!! A heavy bullet (300-370grs)with 150 grs(powder) has a significant amount of higher pressure difference than 150 gr (powder) 180 gr bullet!!! Not to mention that accuracy 99% of the time is destroyed going over 100 grs. BP equ. And we haven't started talking difference in pressures that primers make!! But I will say this: buying a Spanish made gun from a North American company is a hell of a lot better than buying Chinese clones(outright patent theft)!!! Check out the shotgun section!!
 
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Your right, my mistake. it was a Randy Wakeman article on Chuck Hawks.com

We could bash this all day.

FYI

Tobey Bridges http://www. hpmuzzleloading.com had a feature on his site where he posted very graphic pictures of a Savage 110Ml that failed. (total Elmer Fudd barrel split). I believe he was forced to remove them.

This serves nothing else but to prove that muzzleloading can be dangerous, and that every vendor will have a failure - eventually.



I found this on another forum. I though it was priceless & should be shared.

Let's just say I'll feel sorry for all those poor, deluded schlubs who are cheating themselves out of the blackpowder experience by relying on plastic and stainless abortions loaded with rabbit pellets and pistol bullets and who then separate themselves from the real world with glass, nitrogen, and 250 yards.

Now I will almost feel dirty when I range my deer with a laser, and adjust the target turrets on my scoped inline ( only for a minute, though).

Hope everyone has a great season.

Hakx
 
The Right Balls

YA GOT IT RIGHT BALLS. 80 Gr. max in my traditions CLONE kentucky rifle. above that load(PRB) and the accurcy goes 4 a dump!! as for RANDY WAKEMAN, Well, we allOR SHOUILD know that he works for(you know :50cal::jerkit::runaway::sucks:who)!!!!!POPS
 
POPS said:
YA GOT IT RIGHT BALLS. 80 Gr. max in my traditions CLONE kentucky rifle. above that load(PRB) and the accurcy goes 4 a dump!! as for RANDY WAKEMAN, Well, we allOR SHOUILD know that he works for(you know :50cal::jerkit::runaway::sucks:who)!!!!!POPS
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Is it a CLONE or a royality paid replica.....or a replica of a rifle made by a now none existant company? ( I'm not being smart....just need that clarified for personal reference):cool:
 
I got into muzzleloading this past summer. I figured I would not spend alot in case I didn't like it. I bought a Traditions Pursuit Lt 50 cal inline. Shoots great with pellets or granular. Both 777 and pyrodex work well (pyrodex is alot cheaper). I bought a Hawken (percussion) also by Traditions about 3 weeks ago and I really like it. Several guys I know have Traditions products as well. So far no issues. Traditions customer service is friendly and helpful for a newbee like myself. Overall, I am satisfied with quality for the money. I wish I got into muzzleloading years ago.
 
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