Transporting antique muskets and rifles?

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I know an antique handgun needs to be in a locked, opaque case.

What are the rules for transporting an antique rifle, to the range or elsewhere?

I don't have any gun cases long enough for some of these 5 foot long rifles.
 
For non restricted long guns I think it just has to be unloaded, the case / trigger lock are optional (but not a bad idea if you're trying not to scare people). Because muzzleloaders are hard to unload without shooting they only need the cap or flint removed.
 
cantom said:
I know an antique handgun needs to be in a locked, opaque case.

What are the rules for transporting an antique rifle, to the range or elsewhere?

I don't have any gun cases long enough for some of these 5 foot long rifles.
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An antique handgun does not need to be in a locked, opaque case. You're confusing them with restricted handguns. An antique handgun or rifle can simply be placed in your vehicle (presuming we're talking about going in a car/truck) wherever you wish to place it. It can go in the front seat, back seat, on the dashboard, wherever you want. Antique handguns and rifles by the letter of C68 are "non-guns" or "paperweights" that are not and cannot be registered therefore they are not firearms. There are no transport regs for them. In this situation, common sense prevails and you transport them the same way as your non-restricted firearms. (in a gun case/sleeve, your range bag, gun case, etc.) If you don't have a case long enough, simply place them on the floor in the back of your car, same as if you were transporting your non-restricted long gun.

There is a lot more you can do with antique handguns and rifles that is 100% legal but I don't want the Compliance Cops to come out and have a heart attack.
 
CHECK OUT THE STICKY at the top of page LINK TO CFC ANTIQUE REGS.
LOOK at the fact sheets for antique fire arms
A ANTIQUE HANDGUN MUST BE TRANSPORTED IN A LOCKED OPAQUE CONTAINER but does not require a trigger lock like a restricted.
 
fiscus said:
Transport regulations are here: http://www.gazette.gc.ca/archives/p2/1998/1998-04-15/html/sor-dors209-eng.html

14(3) An individual may transport an antique firearm that is a handgun only if it is in a locked container that is made of an opaque material and is of such strength, construction and nature that it cannot readily be broken open or into or accidentally opened during transportation.
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Hum, I had never seen that add-on to the law. Looks like a nice loophole got closed there. That should be in the sticky.
 
There is also a provision that a ML longarm may be transported between hunting sites with the barrel charged, if the cap is removed from a percussion gun, or the flint from a flintlock. Personally, I consider this to be unsafe and stupid.

There are musket length cases available, although they are less common. Ones intended for shotguns can sometimes be long enough.

Further, while some - but not all - ml and antique guns are not subject to the licencing and transport restrictions of modern guns, they are firearms for all other legal purposes. They aren't legally paperweights.
 
Weighing in this debate before I have previously indicated an antique handgun is either a firearm or it is not. Transporting a firearm from one place to another does not make it a firearm. The criminal code does not define an antique firearm as a "firearm" unless it is used in a criminal act. If it was a firearm, then under C68 it must be defined as such, must be registered, and only licensed individuals can possess and acquire them. None of these things are required to buy, use, store, or transport an antique handgun. Section 117(c) of The Act points to the Criminal Code section 86 which says nothing about how an antique handgun has to be transported.

An antique handgun is either a firearm or it isn't. It cannot be both at the same time. If you're taking your antique handgun from your house to the gravel pits to shoot, you're not committing a crime with it, therefore by the Criminal Code it's not a firearm.

Start reading here:

hxxp://www.nfa.ca/node/130

And here:

hxxp://everything2.com/title/Criminal+Code+of+Canada+-+Part+III+Firearms+and+Other+Weapons
 
ki11ercane said:
If you're taking your antique handgun from your house to the gravel pits to shoot, you're not committing a crime with it, therefore by the Criminal Code it's not a firearm.
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It is not a crime because you don't need an ATT, but if there are Regulations published in the Canada Gazette that say an antique handgun must be in a case for transport, it must be in a case.

It can very well be considered a firearm in some cases and not in others, as specified by law. The law states that antiques are deemed to not be firearms for the purpose of sections XYZ... The paragraph after it says that an antique firearm is a firearm for section 117(h) and 86(2). And then there are regulations on top of that.

I wish it was as clear cut as you put it.
 
tactical870 said:
An antique handgun is not a firearm for the purposes of the firearms act however transport rules do still apply. It must be locked in an opaque container during transport.
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According to the Firearms Act and the criminal code, transporting an antique handgun does not make it a firearm. Therefore what the Firearms Act says pertaining to transport is moot.

The Firearms Act cannot procure a policy (C68) or make failing to follow that policy illegal (criminal code) for something that doesn't apply to it. As per the Firearms Act, an antique handgun is not a firearm. Therefore there are no transport guidelines for transporting an antique handgun. This is another example of the Firearms Act contradicting itself. An antique handgun can't be a firearm and not be a firearm at the same time. It's either one or the other, and the criminal code defines when it is and isn't a firearm. Taking it out to shoot defines it as "not" being a firearm.

Either an antique handgun is a firearm, or it isn't.
 
Killercane I see what your saying but the RCMP are pretty clear that they expect an locked opaque container. a holster with a hasp/luggage lock would do.

The rule is retarded of course but....
 
My understanding is that an antique rifle need only be unloaded. That's the rule, at least, for prescribed antiques such as my flinters. No trigger lock, no case. Just unloaded whether for storage, display or transport.
 
"...don't have any gun cases long enough..." There are cases made for 'em. Cabela's Canada lists a 60" "Economy Fringed Gun Sleeve" at $49.99Cdn.
I'd make one, myself. Had to do that for a 68" long bow. Used canvas and some foam for padding.
"...loophole got closed..." Never was a loophole in the FA.
"...the Criminal Code section 86...define an antique firearm..." The CCC isn't the only law that applies. Plus the CCC defines what is and what is not an antique.
The FA does too.
"Antique handguns must be locked in a heavy-duty, non-see-through container that cannot be easily broken open during transportation."
 
There is also a provision that a ML longarm may be transported between hunting sites with the barrel charged, if the cap is removed from a percussion gun, or the flint from a flintlock. Personally, I consider this to be unsafe and stupid.
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Agreed. However wrote this bit of caca didn't know #### about flintlocks.

If you take the flint out of the lock then when you get to where you are going you need to get the flint back in and properly adjusted and that requires dry firing it a few times which is gonna shower the pan with sparks ..... on a loaded gun. Not smart.

It is perfectly safe to simply open the frizzen, empty the pan and lower the #### into the pan. From that condition it is simply impossible for a flintlock to fire accidentally. Yet it can be reprimed easily and safely.
 
Safety Regulations
Under the Firearms Act, antique firearms must be stored, displayed and transported unloaded.

If you are transporting your antique firearms and need to leave them unattended*, leave them in your vehicle’s locked trunk or similar compartment. If your vehicle does not have a trunk or compartment, lock the vehicle and leave the antique firearms inside and out of sight.

Antique handguns must be locked in a heavy-duty, non-see-through container that cannot be easily broken open during transportation.

* Unattended means a vehicle that is not under the direct and immediate supervision of an adult (18 years of age or older) or a minor (with a minor’s licence).
 
starpuss said:
Safety Regulations
Under the Firearms Act, antique firearms must be stored, displayed and transported unloaded.

If you are transporting your antique firearms and need to leave them unattended*, leave them in your vehicle’s locked trunk or similar compartment. If your vehicle does not have a trunk or compartment, lock the vehicle and leave the antique firearms inside and out of sight.

Antique handguns must be locked in a heavy-duty, non-see-through container that cannot be easily broken open during transportation.

* Unattended means a vehicle that is not under the direct and immediate supervision of an adult (18 years of age or older) or a minor (with a minor’s licence).
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Thank you, sir. Seems pretty clear to me.
 
It is always better to just look in the Firearms Act, rather than ask the "experts" on CGN. If you were to take Ki11ercane's suggestion, and drive around with your antique revolver on your dash or front seat..... Jeez! Cops aren't going to look inside and say, "Oh, just a harmless antique, no worries, sir, carry on!"

Antique or not, it's still a handgun at first glance! The more people push this antique issue, riding around with their antiques on the front seat, walking around in public packing iron, the sooner it will be ruined for everyone!
 
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