Trap: etiquette and the Ithaca 37?

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Yesterday was my first time using an Ithaca Model 37 pump on the trap field. Unlike a break action (plunk one in and close shut) or side eject pumps (drop one in the ejection port and slide shut), the bottom eject of the Model 37 made loading a 2-step process (slide one into the mag, then pump it into the chamber. This takes a bit longer and was changing the rythmn of the shoot. Now the guys I'm usually shooting with couldn't give dang, but I know this could irk some trap squads.

Would it be OK for me to slide a round into the mag tube as my turn is coming up (but not yet my turn), then pump it into the chamber when its my turn?
 
Having a round in the magazine while not in the actual shooting sequence, is a safety violation! You cannot have ANY round loaded (mag or chamber) until it is YOUR turn to shoot! It is an unsafe gun condition that can lead to an accident! Why do so many ranges have ADs by old time trap and skeet shooters?

Be safe and don't rush it.

Henry;)
 
Having a round in the magazine while not in the actual shooting sequence, is a safety violation! You cannot have ANY round loaded (mag or chamber) until it is YOUR turn to shoot! It is an unsafe gun condition that can lead to an accident! Why do so many ranges have ADs by old time trap and skeet shooters?

Be safe and don't rush it.

Henry;)

I disagree, having a round in your mag, is not the same as having it chambered. At my trap range, with a pump you can place a shell into the open receiver when the guy next to you is still shooting, but not close the action, when it's your turn, close the action and go ahead, so no flow is distrubed.
Similarly, the break action boys drop a shell into the barrel, but don't close the action until it's their turn.

But I suppose we all have different perceptions of safe.
 
It is common to put a round into the chamber of a breaking gun when shooting trap and not closing the gun until it's your turn to shoot. Same with a semi or pump. If you go the the Grand you'll see it all the time. It's not unsafe nor is it a violation of ATA rules. I would have no problem with a BPS or 37 shooter putting a round in the magazine and then pumping it into the chamber when it is their turn to shoot. As long as the muzzle is the right direction and their gun is open when they moved to the next station there is no problem.
 
While rules of the ATA would permit it, it is frowned upon by shooters. You are allowed to load a shotgun while facing a trap during ATA shoots. It is very wishy-washy. On mist 5-stands and trap fields inour neck of the woods, it would be deemed a warning to load a shell before one's turn.

Regardds,
Henry;)
 
In ATA trapshooting, shooters all have rounds in the chamber when the squad commences shooting and the action can only be closed prior to the individuals turn. To not have a shell in the chamber and having to do this when it is an individuals turn, would be considered, disruptive to the squad if anything. Not to sure about the 37 and i don't think it's too critical unless in competition, as long as it's safe and action is not closed on a loaded round unless it is that individual's turn to call for a bird.
 
In ATA trapshooting, shooters all have rounds in the chamber when the squad commences shooting and the action can only be closed prior to the individuals turn. To not have a shell in the chamber and having to do this when it is an individuals turn, would be considered, disruptive to the squad if anything. Not to sure about the 37 and i don't think it's too critical unless in competition, as long as it's safe and action is not closed on a loaded round unless it is that individual's turn to call for a bird.
Ben, I couldn't find anything in the most recent ATA rules that state the action can only be closed prior to the individual's turn. FWIW, I thought the same as you until it was pointed out to me that a competitor could have a loaded and closed gun as long as they were on the line.

http://www.shootata.com/Content/About_The_ATA/ATA_Rule_Book.aspx

I. SAFETY
Shoot Management may disqualify a contestant for violation of these
Rules, and violations may also result in further disciplinary action.

1. It is the shooter’s responsibility and shoot management’s responsibility
to conduct a shoot in a reasonable and safe manner.

2. It is Shoot Management’s responsibility to remove any competitor who
is conducting himself/herself in an unsafe manner. (Repeat violators
should be reported to the Executive Committee for further action.)

3. It is Shoot Management’s responsibility to instruct the trap help in the
proper and safe conduct of their respective duties.

4. All trap help must have a flag or other warning device to warn of any
person(s) exiting from the trap house.

5. Trap personnel should be thoroughly instructed of the potential danger
of the trap (particularly the target throwing arm).

6. Movement and exposure on adjacent traps should be kept to the
minimum.

7. The practice of tracking targets behind a shooting squad is unsafe,
disconcerting to the shooters, and is not permitted.

8. Alcohol and drugs impair judgment and the ATA Rules pertaining
to the usage of alcohol and/or drugs must be enforced by Shoot
Management. This Rule shall be strictly complied with and shall apply
to practice shooting as well as registered and tournament events. (Rule
XII, B., 2., a.)

9. A gun, which for any reason fails to fire as intended, must be promptly
opened without any subsequent determination by the referee/scorer of
the cause of the Failure to Fire.

10. All guns must have the action opened and contain no live or empty
shells at any time, except while the shooter is on the firing line.
A break
open gun’s action may be closed when it is in a gun rack but it shall not
contain a live or empty shell. Repeat offender(s) of these Official Rules
will be given a 30 day suspension upon a second violation of these
Rules; a third violation of these Rules will result in a 90 day suspension;
and further violations will be reviewed by the Executive Committee for
further disciplinary action.

11. As a safety precaution, test shots will not be permitted under any
circumstance.

12. A contestant shall place a live shell in his/her gun only when on a
post facing the traps. In Singles and Handicap shooting he/she may
place only one (1) live shell in his/her gun at a time and must remove it
or the empty shell(s) before moving from one post to another. In Doubles
shooting he/she may place two (2) live shells in his/her gun at a time
and must remove both live or empty shells before moving from one (1)
post to another. In changing from one (1) post to another, the shooter
shall not walk in front of the other competitors.


13. Snap caps or recoil reduction devices may be excluded from the
above only if colored a safety orange as to permanently identify them
as not being a live or empty shell.

14. A contestant may hold his/her gun in any position when it is his/her
turn to shoot. The contestant must in no manner interfere with the
preceding shooter by raising his/her gun to point or otherwise create
an observable distraction.

15. All guns used by contestants must be equipped, fitted and utilized
so as not to eject empty shells in a manner that substantially disturbs
or interferes with other contestants.

16. All persons including competitors, referee/scorers, and trap
personnel must wear appropriate eye and hearing protection while on
the trap field. Failure to comply may result in disqualification.

17. No shooter shall be permitted to participate in any ATA event while
seated in or otherwise using a golf cart on the firing line. Single passenger
conveyances are the appropriate means for participating should one
require assistance due to permanent or temporary disability.

18. While not prohibited, the practice of resting the muzzle of a shotgun
on a shooter’s toe is ill-advised and is discouraged.
 
Claybuster is prolly right about this, I've shot trap so long and it is habit, and I know no different, but if the guy beside me does this i might find it disturbing, guess I'll have to get used to it!
 
Etiquette at many clubs is to load only once your turn has come up. At my club, we relax this to create a better flow. That being said, if a shooter has a malfunction it is also etiquette to wait patiently while they resolve the malfunction. Many people forget this and make it very stressful on new shooters.
 
...Henry is 100% correct!!!...

...and yes, it is bad etiquette to use an Ithaca 37 on any shooting line with the experienced shooters that are trying to train for their next championship tournament....please be considerate of us...........
 
...and yes, it is bad etiquette to use an Ithaca 37 on any shooting line with the experienced shooters that are trying to train for their next championship tournament....please be considerate of us...........
I don't agree. In a practice round any gun is acceptable providing the shooter is being safe. In competition using a Model 37 does not violate ATA rules nor is it bad etiquette. The only potential violation might be disrupting the rhythm of the squad and based on the OP's first post that is what he is trying to avoid.
 
I use a BPS and what I have done on occasion is after I shoot I don't pump. I wait until it's almost my turn again and load one in the mag. When it hits my turn I pump the old out, new in. No one has complained yet.
 
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