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07blackwater said:
Wow, the hate!

I'm sorry, but when trap loads hurt I'm going to spend more time fishing.

my $.02
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It isn't so much the hate as an opinion of someone who understands injury.
Ask anyone who has had a torn rotator cuff that used to be able to lift an 8 foot sheet of gyprock pver their head , you will soon understand how even a light trap load can affect the very same person.
As for a 20 gauge , it doesnt give up much to a 12 gauge even in a light trap load, just check out felt recoil and ballistic tables, you will soon see a difference.
The space gun mentioned Ljudic and Gra co, recoil reducers do make shooting trap tollerable, but its about funds and how much fun you are really looking for.
And 07Bw, I wasn't hacking on you, just passing on some info from my experience with gyprock and working with people who have this injury and they can no longer work in that trade.
FWIW, I shoot both a Browning Gold Hunter in 20g, and recently bought a Browning Silver Sporting(ported 2-3/4'') and both can be felt after 50rounds of sporting clays.
I am no expert, but again this my first hand experience.
Rob
 
FLHTCUI said:
It isn't so much the hate as an opinion of someone who understands injury.
Ask anyone who has had a torn rotator cuff that used to be able to lift an 8 foot sheet of gyprock pver their head , you will soon understand how even a light trap load can affect the very same person.
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I understand where you're coming from. I didn't mean to slag on anyone or belittle someone's injury.
It was just an opinion not well thought through and I'll be stepping out of this one now.
 
Some may be comparing felt recoil with Trap loads and comparing them with hunting loads, and if you only shoot a few, like in a hunting situation, those trap loads seem awful light(compared to 3 1/2" steel magnums). However a normal day of trap shooting is 300 shells and the cumulative effect of recoil can really effect your shoulder, even so far as to keep people out of the game.
 
You can make any shot gun a light shooter (soft on the shoulder) buy doing a few modifacations:
Limb Saver recoil pad
Leangthen the forcing cone
Porting the barrel
Murcery recoil reducer

I shoot a Remington 3200 trap gun with ported barrels and three dram loads. Yes i do have a injuered shoulder. With just a few modifacations this is the softest shooting trap gun I have owned.

Depending on your wallet size, find a shotgun that fits you well and go from there. Oh and all the mod.'s can be done for $500-$600
 
I have read that the Remington 1100 magnum, when used with a barrel chambered in
2-3/4" with the proper gas ports to cycle target loads properly has even less recoil than
a standard 1100 because the magnum is built with heavier springs and such.

not entirely sure if its true, just been researching the subject since i just bought one ;)

-Rob.
 
When I am shooting high volume in my 28's ( which is often) I use a past recoil shield under my vest.
My 20 guage O/U has a thick limbsaver on it, and i shoot light loads with it unless I am hunting.
Things are not too bad then.
I tried to go the 100 route ( i own threee) but the weight of the gun is as much as factor for me as the recoil, so I stay away from the big guns, unless I am shooting a l9ight BP load in my hammer guns....
Cat
 
I just got a Browning Cenergy UO trap (from Boss Hogg) and it is good for me but might not be best for you. I shot a BT99 forever and liked it a lot. If you get a NEW trap gun it will already have lengthened forcing cones, and will be backbored and ported and will be heavy. Heavy guns are best because they absorb the recoil better than a light gun. It should also have a good recoil pad. If it doesnt, then get one put on. I have shot the Beretta UGB semi/OU and there is not much recoil there. (but I like my Browning better)

Target loads in the 1145 fps range and a good trap vest also help.

The recoiless that was advertised was $1400 which is about $600 too much. I know of a couple of these that sold in the $800 range.

Don't mount the gun way out on your shoulder, pull it in close to your neck so it sits on your collar bone - this keeps your head vertical vs tilted and also keeps the gun off your shoulder. Try it. Then keep your trigger elbow high which also helps keep the gun tight to your face where it belongs.

So before you sink a ton on $$$ into something you aren't going to be happy with, go to the range and ask to try someones gun. Most guys I know would be happy to let a new shooter try it out so you can get the one you know is going to work for you

marty
 
I've been thinking that a lot of things said here make sense, e.g. heavier gun or semi-auto, lighter loads, better recoil reduction system and so on. One thing that I think might true, however, is that people just differ very much in how sensitive they are to recoil. So, some things that help one person who isn't particularly recoil sensitive, might not help another person who is. I don't think this necessarily has anything to do with injury either, though injury certainly can make one fearful and shy of re-injury. Some other things that I think can count with flinching and 'perceived' or 'felt' recoil are gun fit, muzzle blast, attention and anxiety. I know I feel less recoil when I double up my hearing protection, for example, or when I'm really concentrating on shooting and when I'm excited rather than scared, e.g. shooting at a big moose with a heavy caliber, or when the firearm isn't slapping me in the cheek. It seems probable to me that most of us here have experienced at least some of these things at one time or another. Just my $0.02 worth.
 
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