Trigger Upgrades - what are you gaining

Meh.
My A1 shoots 2-3" groups at 100 meters with the iron sights with a stock trigger.
What else do you want out of battle rifle?

If I was going to dump stupid amounts of money into a rifle for precision I'd start with a bolt action that I could actually take out into the woods but that's just me.
 
I have been shooting an R-25 .308 for a few years now and when I bought it, the stock trigger was horrible.

1. It was creepy, gritty and you could never tell exactly when it was going to break. This was after hundreds of rounds on a gun I bought used with ( a claimed) 100 rounds down it.

2. It wouldn't strike hard enough on some heavier primed 7.62 surp rounds and I would get quite a few fail to fire rounds.

3. Sub MOA @ 100M was random. Maybe 1/5 5 round groups would be sub and the others were larger. This is using Match BTHP that the rifle ran best.


I replaced the stock trigger with a Timney 3LBS and honestly saw a massive improvment. First off, I was able to ignite all the surps I fired including the primer struck rounds that failed their first time in.

I was also able to group a lot more sub moa 5RG and my longer range shots also improved out to 600. This rifle is fired from a bench, prone bipod, prone non supported and standing/improvised rests.

The only thing I had to adjust to was the fact that you couldn't touch the trigger until you were on target and ready to fire although I never had a mixup where I thought I was just taking up slack and then fired. One of my friends at the range did that the first time he shot it but adjusted quickly enough to not do it again so... that's the shooter and not the gun if you ND a hair trigger.....

It wasn't "hard" to get used to the zero take up since my 700 LMR has pretty much the same trigger.

I wouldn't want a trigger like this on a run and gun SBR like my AR-15 but that's a center of mass gun so.... rather have the safety of a 2 stage in that regard.

I agree that a good shooter can overcome certain flaws like #### triggers but at the same time, if it's available to you and it improves your shooting.... why not?

To be honest it's the only rifle I have done anything to trigger wise and only because I consider it my "DMR" AR that I would fire from a stationary position and wanted it to be more accurate than it was.
 
My NEA-15 with 12.5" bbl is very accurate (1" groups at 75m, Bushnell TRS25, 69gr Sierra HPBT), but to achieve this accuracy I really focus as the trigger pull is around 9lbs. Can I just change the hammer spring to lighten the pull? Ideally, I would like around 5-6lb trigger pull but don't have the cash for a Timney. I can get a RRA single stage trigger for 80$ NZ, but I really don't want to compromise reliability. Anyone tried the RRA?
 
Non-phixion said:
Is a good Trigger upgrade worth it? Yes! A good trigger is still a good trigger. If you suck it won't make much difference until your fundamentals are squared away. If you are squared away then you will benefit from having an upgrade. For me this is most noticed on the bench zeroing guns. Aforementioned daniel defence triggers are gritty. They're fine for running and gunning but leave alot to be desired off the bench. And any AR's I have built or zero'd have to have a very precise 50 yard zero before I call it good, so when I am moving and shooting, I can place faith in how well my gun was zeroed in.

So, while I respect the train of that thought that training over spending on enhancements is the best route...I still believe that having an aftermarket trigger does give the gun an edge. For SBR's and any AR doing more dynamic run and gun activities I recommend a single stage geissele trigger, for any gun thats going to have a powered optic setup, or precision; run a geissele 2 stage trigger.
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It's actually the other way around. If you've got your fundamentals down, an upgraded trigger will be less of an advantage.
 
Those Geissele triggers are crazy expensive over here in NZ, around 300-400$. I am sure they kick arse, but I would love to tweak my NEA trigger just a little bit. Looks like I need to find a decent gunsmith.
 
Non-phixion said:
Just buy a geissele imo.
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I think bazza is telling us that the $300 to $400 is a little more then they would prefer to spend at the present time. I would recommend putting more trigger time and perhaps the NEA will improve through continued use a little more (no doubt some Smith work could help as well).

It's actually the other way around. If you've got your fundamentals down, an upgraded trigger will be less of an advantage.

Regarding what AR180 has stated above; the better the shooter you are the less of an advantage a superior trigger is, perhaps to the point where there is no advantage if you are dialed-in on your current set-up no matter how poor the trigger.
 
A high end trigger won't make anybody a better shooter, it will only make the gun easier to shoot for someone without proper skills.

I have zero accuracy or speed issues running a standard GI trigger... or any trigger for that matter.
 
Non-phixion said:
Huh? An upgraded trigger will allow me to squeeze that much more out of the gun, its still an advantage.
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You said "If you suck it won't make much difference until your fundamentals are squared away. If you are squared away then you will benefit from having an upgrade.", which I disagreed with and made it clear that an upgraded trigger provides more of an advantage to a novice shooter, and little advantage to an experienced shooter. I nevver said it didn't do anything.
 
Dietz said:
A high end trigger won't make anybody a better shooter, it will only make the gun easier to shoot for someone without proper skills.

I have zero accuracy or speed issues running a standard GI trigger... or any trigger for that matter.
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thats true, thats why i always try to upgrade my triggers because I suck, its like digital traction controls helps someone with poor motorcycle driving skills, yet the winners of motogp and superbike races all use digital traction control, go figure......... triggers matter
 


Here is a Dvorak scan of a very well worn stock C8 trigger (red) vs a Geissele SSA (blue). You can clearly see the take up, second stage on the Geissele and the over travel. The up and down wiggle on the stock trigger is the creep that feels like grit in a trigger.
 
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