Tripods!

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So, for precision rifles in that 13-16 pound range, what rigs are you guys running for long range hunting and field shooting? I'm trying to set some stuff up for those awkward moments near the truck on cliffs and cutlines where Im 3-800 yards away and have nothing to rest on.
Thoughts?
 
I have a vortex summit and pig saddle that I use and it's pretty decent, I know a few guys that use a manfroto and pig saddle and nightforce also has a really fanny new tripod that would be worth a look.
 
London Drugs has a bunch of very interesting designs... I got a Monfrotto 290 light (think that is the model). Comes with a ball head and holds my 12lbs rifle easily.

So far, easy to use, easy to set up and seems durable enough... will wait for the spring to run it hard and see what happens.

Jerry
 
Some of my pals have delved into shooting from tripods. It's a piece of kit that I hadn't fully embraced until recently, and something I haven't even considered until the last two trips out to Squamish with my pals. On one trip, the rain was coming down hard enough to cause some discomfort when shooting prone, and the last time we went out, well, the ground was covered in about a foot of snow.

My buddies Jay and Colin had been shooting from their tripod set ups the last few range trips and have sworn by it. I think it all started when we went out shooting with a couple of law enforcement buddies who shoot for a living, and they brought out some pretty cool tripod set ups for their spotting scopes. Well, Jay started doing a little research and found that people not only use tripods for spotting scopes, but shooting as well.

Anyway, Jay went out a few days later and started scouring Craigslist for deals on used tripods and bought three or four Manfrotto 190s with ball heads that week, lol! Colin nicked a pretty nice tripod from his dad, a carbon fiber Benro tripod, and then he discovered his dad's carbon fiber RRS tripod (retails for $1,500 USD or something like that). His dad used these things for bird watching and photography, but Colin decided it would be better used for shooting so he nicked them both. I was still on the fence about it, and besides that, I also didn't have any money to spend on shooting gear, lol!

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Next person in our group to get the tripod fever was our pal Alex. He, like me, swore by shooting from prone, and like me, was soaked like a wet rat from that one time in Squamish when the rain was coming in sideways. During our last trip out in the snow, he tried out shooting from Jay's and Colin's tripod set up and decided it was cheating. He discovered that he was able to produce some pretty decent groups with little to no effort, and it made shooting a bit too easy, lol!

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So, Alex remembered that sometime last year, he bought his wife a state of the art tripod for photography and wondered if it would work for shooting. It turns out that he bought his wife a Manfrotto MT055CXPRO carbon fibre with a (I think) 498RC2 Manfrotto Ball head. I know, what the hell does all that mean? Well, from what little I learned from the endless research I did on camera tripods, the go to Manfrotto tripods are the 190s, and the 055 series are bigger and beefier, with a higher load capacity (19.8lbs/9kg). Add carbon fiber to the trim level and reduce weight while adding strength (as well as cost). The 498RC2 ball head should be rated for 17.64lbs/8kg load capacity.

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They brought them over to my place once and I threw on one of my heavier rifles and it had no trouble balancing it and holding it in place at various elevation settings and cants. I had had visions of me being the only one wet and miserable laying prone on my shooting mat the next time we went out, while everyone else was still warm and dry. I was sold and started to shop around.

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I scoured Craigslist for a deal, but as luck would have it, when I wanted one, none were to be found for the price I was hoping. Jay found his Manfrotto 190PROs for about $150 including a ball head, but I had no such luck. Most Manfrotto 190PROs ran about $200 with no ball head, or they were very old models with the wingnut/twist fasten leg adjustments.

I was about to give up when I ran across a brand new Benro C-258M8 carbon fiber tripod and it was a fairly decent price. It was made in China, versus the Italian Manfrottos, but it had decent reviews, and when I saw it, it appeared pretty beefy and figured I couldn't go wrong with the price. The legs extended and locked in place with a twist lock system which I didn't like at first, but quickly got used to. The legs extended to three different angles, locked positively and gives the user the confidence that it was built for abuse.

I borrowed Jay's 808RC4 three way pan/tilt head just to see and on top of that, I threw my 29.5lb (13.4kg) PGW onto the set up and it balanced perfectly, and it wasn't even locked down or sitting in any sort of saddle. The Benro is rated for 26.5lbs/12kg and the 808RC4 is good for 17.6lbs/8kg, but it seemed fine, even though the 50 was heavier than the suggested load capacity. Besides, it would be unlikely that I would shoot my 50 off the tripod anyway.

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I also did a bit of research on various mounts, including pic-rail QD systems, but I'd already overspent my Christmas shopping budget by metric ton of fuks so I had to go with something that could be used universally for any rifle I had. I could always change it out for something fancier later on if I miraculously found some money my wife didn't know about. Nordic Marksman had a Boxing Day sale with free shipping, so I grabbed the last two Pig Saddles, the economy version of their Hog Saddles. The difference? The Hog is made of billet aluminum, the Pig is made from stamped steel. I'm sure there are other differences, but at half the price of a Hog, I figured it was worth a gamble to try out. Besides, there's Shadow Tech's lifetime warranty so I wasn't really concerned.

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Some specs from the manufacturer:

Weight: 1 pound
Steel construction- to facilitate years of dependability
Superior corrosion resistance
Heavy duty polymer torque knob
UV resistant pads- specifically engineered to absorb rifle recoil and reduce muzzle jump
Steel 1/4-20 mounting threads and 3/8-16 back up threads
One handed operation
Manufactured in the USA

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The saddle is lined with some sort of high density rubber that seems pretty robust. I tried it on half a dozen different rifles, varying from traditional stocks to chassis systems and with that CNC'd tension nob, I was able to lock down everything I tried.

The machining on this product is top notch, excellent fit and finish, no burrs or machine marks. The OD finish seems pretty tough as well, but I expect to beat this thing up, not baby it.

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The saddle comes with two mounting options for camera tripods, 1/4-20 or 3/8-16 threads.

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As you can see from the photos, I couldn't stay away from Craigslist and in short order, I ended up with a second tripod. I also have two Pig Saddles in these photos, but one of them is spoken for, and the second tripod will probably be reserved for actual spotting scope/photography duty.

So, I found a gently used Manfrotto MT190XPRO4 aluminum tripod which came with the MHXPRO-3W 3 way pan/tilt head (basically a newer version of the one I borrowed from Jay). The Manfrotto tripod, though made of aluminum, was noticeably heavier than the carbon fiber Benro. It also has a slightly less load capacity than the Benro, but it should be fine for just about any of my rifles except for my 50. It should even be fine for my .338 which weighs about 8.7kg, though that rifle does slightly exceed the recommended load capacity of 7kg.

I knew I'd have to give back Jay's 808RC4 eventually, so I ended up ordering a Manfrottto MHXPRO-BHQ2 ball head off Flea-bay. It was on sale and I couldn't resist so when it comes in, it will end up on the Benro. I'll try out the Benro because the Bendro has a higher load capacity at 26.5lbs/12kg, and the new ball head has a max 22lbs/10kg load capacity.

Some factory specs laid out for easier comparison:

Manfrotto

MT190XPRO4 Aluminum Tripod
Max Height: 63”/160cm
Min Height: 3.2”/8.1cm
Folded Length: 19.2”/48.8cm
Weight 4.6lbs/2.1kg
Load Capacity: 15.4lbs/7kg

MHXPRO-3W 3-way Pan/Tilt Head
Weight: 2.2lbs/1kg
Load Capacity: 17.6lbs/8kg

Total Weight:6.8lbs/3.1kg

Benro

C-258M8 Carbon Fiber
Max Height: 61”/155cm
Min Height: 13”/32.5cm
Folder Length: 20.7”/52.5cm
Weight: 3.2lbs/1.46kg
Load Capacity: 26.5lbs/12kg

MHXPRO-BHQ2 XPRO Ball Head
Weight: 1.1lbs/500gr
Load Capacity: 22lbs/10kg

Total Weight:4.3lbs/1.96kg

Hopefully, I'll be able to find some time and try out my new shooting platforms, but from previous reports from my buddies, I probably won't be disappointed.

A couple of different types of heads used for shooting purposes. I currently have the three-way pan/tilt style heads, which are typically more robust and have higher load capacities than ball heads (though not always).

Manfrotto MHXPRO-3W 3-Way pan/tilt:
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They tend to be stronger, and are great for precision work, but on-the-fly adjustments require two separate adjustments, and may require you to take your hand off fire-control (if that's important for your style of shooting).

Ball heads like these seem to be more popular, though older models may not have as much load capacity, I found that some of the newer models hold just as much weight as the pan/tilt models. The benefit here is that it only requires one hand to adjust for cant and elevation.

Manfrotto MHXPRO-BHQ2 XPRO Ball Head:
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The third style of head, and probably the most popular among a lot of shooters seems to be the pistol grip style. These models probably hold the least amount of weight according to factory recommendations, but they still seem the most popular (probably because most rifles don't weigh more than max recommended load capacity). The joystick/grip configuration makes for very quick adjustments.

Manfrotto 327RC2 Joystick Head:

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The weather's been pretty craptacular recently and we haven't bothered trying to drive out to our regular shooting spots, but I thought maybe I'd post some of the setups my pals use.

This was the tripod that sort of got it all started:

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Though these guys were using it strictly for their spotting scopes, they explained that the unit could also be applied to shooting applications.

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My buddy's RSS set up:

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My buddy Jay's set up from the seated position:

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Standing:

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Colin experimenting with setting up on uneven terrain where prone or even kneeling/sitting would be difficult:

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Conditions when shooting in prone is just unpleasant.

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All that being said, who really needs a tripod in Canada when we can can rely on natural resources :)

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I use a Bog Pod, works alright I just use a rest attachment and find the balance point and gun sets there as I hold it.
 
Lol, I wish I could afford RSS, that stuff is nuts with the price. A pal of mine has an RSS tripod, it's pretty sick. Beefy.

Says the guy with 2 Cadex and 1 50bmg? lol.

You don't have to buy their tripod but their ballhead is industry-leading and completely overbuilt in the camera world. Plus their mounting options are quite complete.
 
Ive got a rrs ball head and ai ax adapter on a manfrotto.
I tried the heavy duty manfrotto pistol grip ball head first, but it's too weak to deal with a heavy rifle. The rrs 40 series ball head is a lot more precise and stable. Also the manfrotto qd mount has a bit of slop in it, the rrs has none.


 
One thing more I can add is to try to keep the rifle as low as possible to the tripod.
If you're going to use a hog saddle, don't use a tall ball head with it, it makes things much less stable. Try using a levelling base instead.
 
I haven't used it much but I found an older Bogen by Manfrotto tripod on ebay. I thought they were the same as the newer 055PROB I think is the model but it has twist tight tension handles on the legs that need to be adjusted.

I picked up a Manfrotto 496RC2 ball head from London drugs. It works but my rifle is five pounds over reccomended weight for it. From what I understand the RC2 refers to the quick detect mounting plate. My only complaint is it did not have a location pin to prevent the plate from twisting where it clamps to the saddle. This head is reccomended but the HOG saddle manufacturer but it seems a bit light duty.

The quick detach plate is neat because I can switch between the saddle and a spotting scope or rangefinder or just clamp them in the saddle.

I was going to get a PIG saddle from Nordic Marksman when they had a sale but they sold out so I got the HOG. It holds the rifle very securely.


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I am not sure about the head versus no head. There are pros and cons to each. The head allows for more freedom of movement but once you level the tripod with no head you don't have to worry about cant.

The head adds a few inches of height and a bit of weight but depending on the model may allow switching out plates.
 
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