Trouble hitting 8x11 paper at 100 yards!

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My new-to-me savage 111 in 7mm Rem Mag will not group. The trigger sucks, the lead sled isnt very sturdy, and it was cold out...

But using multiple types of ammo, I completely cover an 8x11 sheet of paper at 100 yards. Once, or twice, I'm pretty sure that I missed it altogether.

What is the best/most efficient way to diagnose wild groupings? The scope is a "new-according-to dealer" Zeiss MC, Rapid Z. The mounts appear to be tight, and cleaning the rifle hasn't helped. I give the gun at least 5min cool down between 3 shot groups.

The Rem moderate recoil shells did the best, at 5" grouping. The Super x winchesters were all over, and the Accubond ct 160s are the once that seemed to be able to miss entirely.
 
Given your comments and not knowing your abilities, let me ask you this.. how well can you shoot?

If you are new to shooting, the 7RM has alot of recoil. Couple that with a wobbly crutch and maybe flinching, all sorts of missing can be just in the delivery of the shot.

So I start with the basics, the driver. When that is taken care of... look over the rifle for proper assembly and no broken parts. Maybe have another shooter with known experience shoot the rifle OUT of that sled.

Maybe swap in a scope of known performance.

I am not saying the rifle may not be at fault but modern mass produced rifles are made to such levels that 1 to 1 1/2 MOA out of the box is routine with quality ammo.

Missing a 8x11 piece of paper indicates something is horribly wrong.

Jerry
 
Mystic Precision said:
Given your comments and not knowing your abilities, let me ask you this.. how well can you shoot?

If you are new to shooting, the 7RM has alot of recoil. Couple that with a wobbly crutch and maybe flinching, all sorts of missing can be just in the delivery of the shot.

So I start with the basics, the driver. When that is taken care of... look over the rifle for proper assembly and no broken parts. Maybe have another shooter with known experience shoot the rifle OUT of that sled.

Maybe swap in a scope of known performance.

I am not saying the rifle may not be at fault but modern mass produced rifles are made to such levels that 1 to 1 1/2 MOA out of the box is routine with quality ammo.

Missing a 8x11 piece of paper indicates something is horribly wrong.

Jerry
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Great advice.
 
Erickson5006 said:
My new-to-me savage 111 in 7mm Rem Mag will not group. The trigger sucks, the lead sled isnt very sturdy, and it was cold out...

But using multiple types of ammo, I completely cover an 8x11 sheet of paper at 100 yards. Once, or twice, I'm pretty sure that I missed it altogether.

What is the best/most efficient way to diagnose wild groupings? The scope is a "new-according-to dealer" Zeiss MC, Rapid Z. The mounts appear to be tight, and cleaning the rifle hasn't helped. I give the gun at least 5min cool down between 3 shot groups.

The Rem moderate recoil shells did the best, at 5" grouping. The Super x winchesters were all over, and the Accubond ct 160s are the once that seemed to be able to miss entirely.
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Practice makes Perfect.
 
Jokes won't hurt my feelings. The rifle is new to me, and only took it out twice so far, I know that it will take time to get good groups.

New to precision shooting as well, this is my first scope that cost me more than $300. Everything on the gun seems tight, and the rifling seems to..exist.. I think I will quit using the sled and go with a stand alone tripod next time.

I'm just going for a good step by step process of elimination, or common faults to look for on savage rifles. I've picked up some different ammo, for starters.

I know that heat will affect accuracy, how about cold temps? Can this affect the barrel or scope perhaps? first time out was -20, next time was -15 ish.
 
Erickson5006 said:
Jokes won't hurt my feelings. The rifle is new to me, and only took it out twice so far, I know that it will take time to get good groups.

New to precision shooting as well, this is my first scope that cost me more than $300. Everything on the gun seems tight, and the rifling seems to..exist.. I think I will quit using the sled and go with a stand alone tripod next time.

I'm just going for a good step by step process of elimination, or common faults to look for on savage rifles. I've picked up some different ammo, for starters.

I know that heat will affect accuracy, how about cold temps? Can this affect the barrel or scope perhaps? first time out was -20, next time was -15 ish.
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Ditch the lead sled. -15 shouldn't make you miss that much. I shot pistols in -4 and got impressive groups.
 
A zeiss scope with that much inconsistency leads me to believe that it isnt the rig, its you. Unless of course you have cheap mounts and rings that are improperly mounted.

I have a 7MM Rem Mag (Rem 700 Long Range). I use it for hunting primarily but it is set up as a precision rig, with a one piece rail, nightforce rings, and a Sightron SIII.
At first I was getting 2-3 MOA groups with it at 100m, because I was not used to the recoil. I thought to myself maybe this rifle needs to be bedded, or rebarrelled. But then I realised after shooting more and more that it wasnt the rifle it was me. I was not used to recoil being a .308 shooter. I ended up with inconsistencies in my trigger pull, my follow through etc. Now I have the rifle shooting sub MOA. Just takes time and practice.

As far as issues getting on paper I cannot tell you how many times I have been at the range and guys simply cant get on paper. The answer is simple, and I have done it for everyone person I have run into with this problem. Just attempt to zero using a manual boresight. Use sandbags (old sock with sand or airsoft bbs) and take your bolt out. Look down the bore and point it at the paper. Now, keeping the bore pointed at the paper, adjust your scope until the crosshairs are on the centre of the paper. Now replace the bolt, fire a round and see where your impact is. If you are missing the target completely, you can try doing this at a closer range like 50 or even 25. Once you are on adjust and then move the distance back. This is made easier if you have a mil or MOA reticle in FFP because adjustments are easy. Just measure distance from the point of impact to the intended point of zero and that is your adjustment. By your third round you should be almost zeroed.
 
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