Troubling Ontario Moose Tag Quotas!

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Hey Guys!!
Not sure if you guys have looked into this yet but the Ontario Moose Tag numbers are down.....BIG TIME!!! Here in WMU 28 where I hunt moose, our numbers drop from 457 down to 30 Tags! 30 TAGS!!!! Tags have dropped by 94.6% here!! I already wrote an email to the Minister of Natural Resources David Orazietti (dorazietti.mpp@liberal.ola.org) and NDP Natural Resources Critic John Vanthof who also happens to be my local MPP

Here is the PDF showing this years tag numbers
http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/stdprodconsume/groups/lr/@mnr/@fw/documents/document/240227.pdf

Prepare for a possible shock!
 
The poachers are still gonna poach. The Indians are still gonna poach. The only people this affects are the regular every day guys who want to participate in the hunt. If anything, it only encourages more people to start poaching. If I have to apply for 30 years (at 60$ a shot, totalling 1800$) and not get a tag until I'm too old to actually enjoy getting out there to hunt, and the MNR doesn't actually have the money to effectively enforce their arbitrary decisions, why wouldn't I just poach a moose if I wanted one bad enough?

Like most things the MNR does, this reeks of bad science, politics and outright stupidity.
 
Dorian Gray said:
The poachers are still gonna poach. The Indians are still gonna poach. The only people this affects are the regular every day guys who want to participate in the hunt. If anything, it only encourages more people to start poaching. If I have to apply for 30 years (at 60$ a shot, totalling 1800$) and not get a tag until I'm too old to actually enjoy getting out there to hunt, and the MNR doesn't actually have the money to effectively enforce their arbitrary decisions, why wouldn't I just poach a moose if I wanted one bad enough?

Like most things the MNR does, this reeks of bad science, politics and outright stupidity.
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Just quoting this to repeat everything you said!!!!
 
Dorian Gray said:
The poachers are still gonna poach. The Indians are still gonna poach. The only people this affects are the regular every day guys who want to participate in the hunt. If anything, it only encourages more people to start poaching. If I have to apply for 30 years (at 60$ a shot, totalling 1800$) and not get a tag until I'm too old to actually enjoy getting out there to hunt, and the MNR doesn't actually have the money to effectively enforce their arbitrary decisions, why wouldn't I just poach a moose if I wanted one bad enough?

Like most things the MNR does, this reeks of bad science, politics and outright stupidity.
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YUP!! I gotta be honest... I SO f'ing fed up with beauracrats telling me how to live my life... I'm about ready to start poaching. Period.
 
Our Ontario tax dollars at work yet again. My birthday is in a week and by the time I renew vehicle, drivers and hunting an fishing licences I will be just shy of $1000. Money better spent at the local gun shop instead of paying useless tax to a corrupt Lieberal government.
 
Better knowing now that you will not be getting any tags.

Apply every year and was honored with calf tag, money go to dump.

And issuing calf tags would have adverse affect, so eat deer this year .
 
It's just so frustrating. I'll still throw my hat in the ring but I won't travel anywhere unless I have an adult tag. I can hunt calves an hour from where I live. No local adult tags though. We've been down to 30 tags for the last 20 years so we've been traveling every Fall. Not this year.
 
Slooshark1 said:
It's just so frustrating. I'll still throw my hat in the ring but I won't travel anywhere unless I have an adult tag. I can hunt calves an hour from where I live. No local adult tags though. We've been down to 30 tags for the last 20 years so we've been traveling every Fall. Not this year.
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I have a feeling a lot of guys will adopt the same attitude. From the information available you can't tell what affect this will have on outfitters businesses. If their tags are cut the same as for the rest of us (and they should be) they will lose a lot of income.

Personally our group should be alright this year because of the way we manage our applications every year but have no idea what will happen in 2015.

I calculated the total reduction in tags (bull and cow combined for the whole province) and they are down by 29.6%. Seems to me this is a greater number than the one the Ministry is throwing around. So far I haven't been able to find out what the cost of licenses is going to be this year. The MNR seems to have left that page out of their on line posts. With an unknown license cost, escalating gas costs and reduced tags moose hunting this year isn't looking like a good bet for a lot of hunters.

Jim
 
NorthernPF said:
Hey Guys!!
Not sure if you guys have looked into this yet but the Ontario Moose Tag numbers are down.....BIG TIME!!! Here in WMU 28 where I hunt moose, our numbers drop from 457 down to 30 Tags! 30 TAGS!!!! Tags have dropped by 94.6% here!! I already wrote an email to the Minister of Natural Resources David Orazietti (dorazietti.mpp@liberal.ola.org) and NDP Natural Resources Critic John Vanthof who also happens to be my local MPP

Here is the PDF showing this years tag numbers
http://www.mnr.gov.on.ca/stdprodconsume/groups/lr/@mnr/@fw/documents/document/240227.pdf

Prepare for a possible shock!
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What's happening on the landscape in WMU 28 to warrant a reduction in tag numbers like that?
 
MNR should cut the cost of the tags by the same percent !! no reason why hunters should be out of pocket... why should those villains get the same amount of cash for providing poor service

just more Gov't BS
 
To respond to Armed N Friendly, I think this will make life for hunters in all WMUs miserable, at least those that don't quit entirely. You will note that fewer areas now have guaranteed groups sizes for tags. So what is to stop that previous gang of 13 (like the one I was in) to split up in 2 or 3 groups and apply elsewhere? Seems like a good "hedge" strategy to me.

I am most likely done completely with trying to moose hunt in Ontario. I will go to Quebec (close) or elsewhere....or take up Unicorn hunting. Getting a tag is easier...
 
I was out on some trails that I haven't been on all winter in wmu 28 . The moose chewed that trail up pretty good thru the winter. Even looked like a cow and a calf hung in one spot for awhile (big poop ,little poop). Funny when I was out, heard a helicopter take off from the airport and it came over and it was the MNR chopper.
 
Just heard no guaranteed group size where we hunt this year... We saw 10 bulls in a 20 sq. KM area last year (in 3 days) but only one bull tag for a group of 16. Totally mismanaged.
 
Harvested my last moose in the fall of 1987. Applied for 12 years without drawing an adult tag so I stopped hunting moose and concentrated on deer.
Last couple of years my son has wanted to experience a moose hunt, so we got a group and started applying again.
Drew a bull for 12a last year and my son and I found this nice bull.
That night in camp my brother in law observed, " 26 years since your last bull, I don't think you will make it to your next one!"
Sadly it looks like he may have been right!
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Date on camera is wrong------stupid camera!
 
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I also hunt in 28, been hunting there for a long time and see many moose each year. These idiots don't have clue on what they are doing, they never leave their offices, rely on random surveys and plan on managing our resources with knee jerk reactive measures. A useless organization led by a corrupt government!!!!!!!! They won't get my $60 anymore, I quit, they can kiss my @#$@
 
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