Troy PAR accuracy issues - UPDATE (post 33)

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I got my PAR from one of the first batches to hit Canada. Right from the get-go, I have had accuracy issues with it. I'm talking 3-4 moa or worse. Last I checked, I didn't buy an SKS. I sent it back and it returned a few days ago with a target that was supposedly shoot by a Troy employee showing 3 holes well inside an inch. The target was labeled "100 yards, 55 grain". No info was given on what the issue was or what work was done on the rifle if any.

I took it back to the range yesterday and nope. Nadda. I'm still getting sub-par (see what I did there?) accuracy with all types of ammo including different bullet weights, powder charges, brands, etc. No noticeable difference between them. I tried different optics, different shooters, and different muzzle devices. No difference.

I'm seriously disappointed. Anyone else have any accuracy issues? Did anyone have to use special ammo or loads?
 
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mebiuspower said:
Get someone who shoots better than you to shoot it.
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This...

It is a pretty light rifle, that doesn't help for group size...
Also having to break your position to pump is detrimental to consistency.
Third I found mine was four rounds touching one just off at 100. With 53gr.
But two and a half inches with 75gr match.
Also the trigger is pretty heavy, so I will be changing that.

It also took a few rounds for me to find the sweet spot.
 
mmatt said:
Done and done. Several other shooters who are all capable of shooting sub-moa have shot it with the same results.
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That doesn't necessarily mean much, My .308 shoots 3/4-1/2 MOA with me behind her, but my PAR certainly does not... even though I am sure the gun is capable of 1"
 
Did Troy talk to you about it? Would have been nice if they told you what ammo they shot with beyond the bullet weight......
How long was the turn around?
 
hoochie said:
And you are shooting from a solid rest?
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This ^^^
Solid shooting table and sandbags or a good solid rest. Best would be prone and sandbags.
I know it doesn't help your expectations when others are getting better results and Troy sent it back to you showing a decent group but keep in mind that you have a rifle that basically has a run of the mill AR barrel and pump action rifles aren't exactly known for exceptional accuracy. They aren't terrible but you never see them in any kind of competition shooting for a reason.

How are you supporting the rifle?
Where is your support hand? Anything touching the barrel?
Have you changed the muzzle device?

Have you emailed or called Troy to ask what type of 55gr they used to make that group?
I wouldn't expect it to shoot one brand at 1 moa and most others only 3-4moa but it might be possible. I'm guessing that Troy clamps it into a vise for their testing so it looks good but would be hard to duplicate in the field.

Good luck, I hope you get it figured out.
 
hoochie said:
And you are shooting from a solid rest?
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Sandbags.

Can-down said:
Did Troy talk to you about it? Would have been nice if they told you what ammo they shot with beyond the bullet weight......
How long was the turn around?
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Nope. All I got was the target with "55 grain, 100 yards" written on it. Turn around was close to 3 months.

cr5 said:
This ^^^
Solid shooting table and sandbags or a good solid rest. Best would be prone and sandbags.
I know it doesn't help your expectations when others are getting better results and Troy sent it back to you showing a decent group but keep in mind that you have a rifle that basically has a run of the mill AR barrel and pump action rifles aren't exactly known for exceptional accuracy. They aren't terrible but you never see them in any kind of competition shooting for a reason.

How are you supporting the rifle?
Where is your support hand? Anything touching the barrel?
Have you changed the muzzle device?

Have you emailed or called Troy to ask what type of 55gr they used to make that group?
I wouldn't expect it to shoot one brand at 1 moa and most others only 3-4moa but it might be possible. I'm guessing that Troy clamps it into a vise for their testing so it looks good but would be hard to duplicate in the field.

Good luck, I hope you get it figured out.
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Yup, I am ensuring that the rifle is solidly supported on the handguard. The barrel is completely free-floated so there should be no issue there. I have tried 3 different muzzle devices including the brake it comes with.

No reply from Troy yet and honestly, I don't expect to.

So disappointing. It had such potential.
 
What ammo are you using?
Can you post your target photos?
Was it concentric groups? Vertical stringing? Horizontal spread?
 
norlandgeese said:
What ammo are you using?
Can you post your target photos?
Was it concentric groups? Vertical stringing? Horizontal spread?
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I have tried everything from cheap 55gr Norinco 5.56 all the way up to 75 grain match ammo. I have also tried my own reloads that perform very well in almost every rifle I've tried it in; 55 grain Vmax over 25 grains of Varget. I even rolled up some 25.5, 26.0, 26.5, and 27.0 grain loads too.

The targets are just bad. No vertical stringing or horizontal spread... but not really concentric either. It looks like a bad shotgun pattern.

(ETA: I posted a pic but now I'm not sure it's one from the PAR... I'll shoot a new target tomorrow if I get a chance and will post it then.)
 
That's frustrating Matt, sounds like you got a dud but somehow the dud shot MOA when checked out by the factory.... the real dud though is Troy's customer support and communication. 3 month turnaround and they can't even write a quick note about their findings and suggestions? Brutal.

What are the options for a new barrel?
 
Can-down said:
That's frustrating Matt, sounds like you got a dud but somehow the dud shot MOA when checked out by the factory.... the real dud though is Troy's customer support and communication. 3 month turnaround and they can't even write a quick note about their findings and suggestions? Brutal.

What are the options for a new barrel?
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I imagine I'd have to either find one before it has been drilled for a gas port or block said gas port. I'm not sure I want to put more money into it though especially since that doesn't guarantee it'll fix the problem.
 
I would insist on knowing the load data or the brand of ammo they used.

I have a Savage in 7mm-08 that is just horrible. It has been a multi-year project for me. I will try changing the scope to a Leupold from a used Burris (professionally mounted/rings lapped locally for $25). I already have Leupod rings.

Now that I have started reloading - I will work on OAL first, speed next.

Win white box did not stay on paper (8.5x11) at 100 - some premium stuff did ~8moa.

I guess what I am saying is - this scenario is super frustrating. My old REM 700 7mmRM is half MOA with factory ammo without even trying.
 
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