Troy PAR vs Norinco M305

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I've been told I can only have one more rifle and I'd like one of these, anyone have any insights on which is more reliable, accurate, fun to shoot. I also really like tweaking a rifle, -my $3000 10/22 is a testament to that. I think the Norinco would benefit more from that but would it be a better gun at the end of the day? My only other concern is weight.
Your thoughts are wanted!
 
Troy seemed to flop on interest after the release.
I was on the hunt for a 308 rifle during new years and picked up my dream springfield m1a loaded.
I'm not a big tinkerer so stayed away from a norc, also have alot of vanity thus the m1a.

An m14 has always been on the bucket list. After i put a nf 3-10 on a springfield gen4 mount, it is my favourite rifle.

140rounds in and still working the load. Sitting at 1.4moa and really havent narrowed it down yet.
Spent alot of time with a vortex 6-20 which i didnt like. Then switched to magnum primers and reworking the load.

Somewhere around 39gr 4895 and 168gr amax and magnum primers.

For the 4000 in the rifle, could have had a pgw, but id rather toy with my m1a at my max yardage of 450(backyard) than have it too easy with a rifle that could really go 1400yards
 
Hey, just a quick question that might decide it, is the PAR threaded?
@Redblack, the 10/22 is my favorite rifle right now. Shoots like a dream.
 
The barrel on the Troy PAR is threaded for muzzle devices, I've seen some complaints online so it is possibly threaded in a less common pattern than most. Mine came with the Troy "Medieval" muzzle brake, and it works great so I see no need to change it.

I own both an M305 and a .308 PAR. At this point I love them both and wouldn't want to trade either of them.

Accuracy: The PAR will be more accurate than the M305 out of the box. Most people are finding their stock Troy to be pretty close to half-moa. Norinco M305 will be more in the range of 2+. My M305 is around 1.5, but it was my Grandpa's and I'm sure there was some tinkering done to it. My older brother's is stock and somewhere around 2.5+, and my younger brother spent a pile of change on his to get it down around 1ish+ moa.

Reliability: Shouldn't have issues with either. The M305 is a proven bulletproof semi-design, and the PAR is a well designed but simple pump design that is based on the AR action and that takes some AR parts.

Fun to shoot: Purely subjective. Pumps are fun to shoot because working and action and being involved in your firearm's operation is fun. Semi's are fun cause mag dump bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang.

Weight: PAR is lighter. But not by much. Where it has the advantage is in weight distribution and ergonomics, so the PAR feels much lighter than the M305 does. The M305 feels a lot less maneuverable and bulky in your hands.

Tweaking: PAR takes a lot of standard AR accessories, and as such is pretty easy to customize. It does come with quality accessories but it leaves you desiring a foregrip for the pump and the Troy stock is kinda ugly in my opinion. The M305 will likely need a bunch of work just to get it somewhat accurate and operating smoothly. There is a big aftermarket for them though so you can customize to your hearts content.

The quality of parts, fit, and finish will be nicer on the Troy. But the price tag will be much higher. You do however get what you pay for. The other advantage is that it is not a semi, and comes stock NR with a 16" barrel.
The M305 is affordable, fun to shoot, and with a little work will do anything you ask of it.

If I could only have one, I'd take the Troy. Also opens you up to the possibility of picking up an M305 later... "but honey, this one is only $500!!!!" :d

I will put a video of my thoughts on the PAR up eventually, once I am "done" with the customization. Have a rail section to modify and install, and an Atlas bipod on order for it. Being a pump it isn't very friendly to bench shooting so a bipod should help.

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I own a Norinco rifle and a Troy PAR in 5.56. If I had to only own 1 and money wasn't a big issue, I would get a PAR. My 5.56 rifle's fit and finish is excellent with loads of available accessories. Also, looks like an AR but you can also pack in the woods. If you have a limited budget, go for the M305. Good luck!
 
I too own both, M305 is a wall hanger while the Par is my new Favourite, I wish I bought the 223 version though :( I live in southern Ontario so can't use the Par for Coyotes, unless I swap the barrel.... Yay another $500......
 
I have both, an M14 socom and a Troy PAR National in 223. My vote is hands down the Troy PAR and I just got mine!!! Light, fun to shoot and it'll likely take the place of my semi auto black rifles, its a GEM!!!!
 
I too have both, 2 x M305 + 1 PAR in 300 AAC.

The choice on which one really depends on what you are looking for?

If you are looking for a fun rifle (heavy in weight) able to be modified into anything you reasonably would like, then the M305 is it. But it is heavy. The PAR is again available in a variety of guises, from light weight folder to a heavier DMR version and in several calibers. Lots of mods again via the modularity of the AR platform.

I use my M305 for the 'tinkering factor' and chasing (rather unsuccesfully) the MOA goal. My PAR is a MOA as stock hunting / plinking / teaching my sons type of rifle.

If I was given the ultimatum of only one, it would be tricky, as both are fun.

The good news is that you cannot go wrong either way!

Candocad.
 
Who told you that you can only have one more? One more till you feel like buying another one sounds much more reasonable.

I've never had a chance to shoot or even fondle a PAR but I do like the idea of one and may have to give one a try if I find one for a decent price on the EE. The only thing that has me skeptical of them is the fluted chamber, I'm a handloader and don't want my brass getting messed up more than it needs to be.
I currently own two M305's and do like them but as has been said before they're a little heavy. The M305's are great if you don't mind spending three times what you paid for the rifle on making it better. Your 10/22 is evidence that you aren't opposed to throwing money at a cheap rifle so the M305 may be right up your alley.

If I was in your shoes and was letting someone else tell me how to spend my money I'd probably go with the PAR first then in a while when you're allowed to spend some more of your money grab a used M305 off the EE and start modding it.
 
OP, I would buy the PAR first, you can always pick up an m305 later. FYI Rampart has PARs on order in .243 if that makes any difference.


Sqr said:
My Troy PAR makes for a very light ergonomic blind deer rifle.
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Mine in .223 will be my lightweight ergonomic coyote rifle. Scope should be here tomorrow or Friday. Everything else is ready to go. My initial impression of the gun is that it is very compact, solid, and well built. I'm hoping for moa at 200 yds with hand loads and have a bunch ready for testing. It's been like Christmas around here with all the packages arriving lately! :dancingbanana:
 
mark222 said:
OP, I would buy the PAR first, you can always pick up an m305 later. FYI Rampart has PARs on order in .243 if that makes any difference.




Mine in .223 will be my lightweight ergonomic coyote rifle. Scope should be here tomorrow or Friday. Everything else is ready to go. My initial impression of the gun is that it is very compact, solid, and well built. I'm hoping for moa at 200 yds with hand loads and have a bunch ready for testing. It's been like Christmas around here with all the packages arriving lately! :dancingbanana:
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Yup mine stared as this sized rifle thats why it's a great deer sized blind and stand hunter.
 
I really want one too but am wondering how the pump and pump mechanism feels. Does it feel like it will last two lifetimes of pumping lol or does it feel like half a lifetime of pumping life? Lol weird but am curious before shelling out that much money for a pump rifle
 
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