Trying to find a pointed 45/70 bullet...

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I'd like to work up a load with a pointed bullet for those odd 200ish yard shots, only thing I can find that might work is the Barnes TSX's in .458... They don't have pictures, but they have bc's in the .3-.4 range as opposed to the .13 of the 45/70 flat noses. Can anyone verify that these are pointed, or offer another suggestion?
 
Some of the cast offerings from M.T. Chambers feature pointed bullets or bullets with small meplat(flat),weights of 405gr., 465gr., 475gr., are all proven longer range bullets, that in addition to the BPCR bullets which are heavier and all are pointed. M.T. Chambers offers 12 dif. bullets for the 45/70.
 
Hornady Leverevolution.

essentially a 45/70 with a pointed tip. made of a special polymer that lets it retain its shape, yet bend enough to prevent discharge in tube fed levers.

If you dont manage to find them anywhere else PM me. i know our store has access to them, just might take a little while. Youve been warned :p
 
Have a bunch of 500 gr TSX's loaded pretty warm and only use them in the Marlin as single-shot which made me wonder - what's to stop you from simply cutting off the bullet tip to a diameter considerably more than the primer pocket? Easy enough to do cleanly and consistently but would the recoil of the heavy load deform the bullet any worse than any heavy FP (lead) deforms? Might wind up with a 450-460 grainer but wow...The aim here is, obviously, to be able to fill 'er up and not worry about the tube-feed magazine problem with pointed ammo.
 
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khoeep said:
Hornady Leverevolution.

essentially a 45/70 with a pointed tip. made of a special polymer that lets it retain its shape, yet bend enough to prevent discharge in tube fed levers.

If you dont manage to find them anywhere else PM me. i know our store has access to them, just might take a little while. Youve been warned :p
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Please do tell... I was under the impression that Hornady was NOT selling components for the Leverevolution...

Unless that decision has changed? I don't see them on the hornady website?
 
rommelrommel said:
I'd like to work up a load with a pointed bullet for those odd 200ish yard shots, only thing I can find that might work is the Barnes TSX's in .458... They don't have pictures, but they have bc's in the .3-.4 range as opposed to the .13 of the 45/70 flat noses. Can anyone verify that these are pointed, or offer another suggestion?
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They're pointed alright, enough to never put them in a tube-feed, but man you can you ever make them kick at both ends. See question above I have about this in previous post.....welcome some feedback!:)
 
sbtennex said:
They're pointed alright, enough to never put them in a tube-feed, but man you can you ever make them kick at both ends. See question above I have about this in previous post.....welcome some feedback!:)
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Well, you could, but the point (to me) of wanting the pointed bullets is to have less drop. If I hack the point back, why not just use a RN/FP?

Horandy is not selling the leverevolution bullets seperately yet, and possibly not ever... and they are just too expensive to pull. Of course... now that I think about it, TSX's are a buck a piece, and virgin brass is about the same... they might be worth pulling and reloading...
 
The vast majority of the drop you'll see within 200 yds has to do with the modest muzzle velocity of the 45/70 and not the bullet shape. In real world shooting, you might not even be able to detect a difference between bullets.
 
Andy said:
The vast majority of the drop you'll see within 200 yds has to do with the modest muzzle velocity of the 45/70 and not the bullet shape. In real world shooting, you might not even be able to detect a difference between bullets.
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There's a signficant difference between factory Federal 300gr FP's and the Leverevolution 325's in POI, and they have pretty much identical muzzle velocities. I have to think that a proper spire point loaded hot from my XLR should be pretty flat (for a 45/70) out at 200 yards.
 
Barnes, Woodleigh and Swift make spire pointed jacketed bullets. Montana Precision makes several swaged lead bullets. A .45-70 won't ever have what one would call a flat trajectory though. Using pointed bullets in a lever action will turn it into a two shot rifle.
 
It was unclear from your post if you were shooting a .45/70 or a .458, but .458 data looks like this. Plugging some numbers into a ballistics program; a 500 gr .458 Hornady at 2100 when sighted for 175 yards is 2" high at 100, 2.5" low at 200, and 10.5" low at 250.

When loaded with a Barnes 450 gr TSX, the same sight setting get you 2" low at 200 and 7.5 low at 250.
 
Just lookin' at some of Hornady's Muzzle Loader Sabot Bullets ... packed 20 to a box ... the 50 cal Sabots have 45 cal 300 gr. pointed bullets (SST/ML)that look like what you're asking about. Just throw the sabots away... :)
 
beretta boy said:
Just lookin' at some of Hornady's Muzzle Loader Sabot Bullets ... packed 20 to a box ... the 50 cal Sabots have 45 cal 300 gr. pointed bullets (SST/ML)that look like what you're asking about. Just throw the sabots away... :)
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The Hornady SST Muzzleloader line .452 inch. I'm thinking that the 45/70 needs .458. It would make for a loose fit in the brass, and an even sloppier ride down the barrel. I wouldn't recommend it.
 
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