Turkish Shotguns. Stupid question incoming

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I just took the plunge and ordered one of those Pardus SS semi autos. I also have a ATA etros which i love. I think i might swap the stocks out if that Pardus is nice. They should be compatible, but now i cant help but wonder...what other parts could be switched out...? I want to know if the barrels could be switched too?? Whats the worst that could happen if i tried it? I assume some sort of explosion? Anyone know if their specs are similar enough?

thanks guys
 
Stocks will be the same, same should be trigger group, bolt, and magazine parts even receiver could be identical. As far as the barrel goes each Turkish brand name even if assembled by the same factory will have barrel assembly ring welded one in different spot. In case barrels are the same be very careful headspace may be different. You need to verify head space before you use it. However I still advice against barrel swapping between different Turkish brands unless done and checked by a gunsmith
 
EL34/6L6 said:
Well, I also wouldn't be swapping barrels between every American made shotgun out there either... ;)
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I would if they are the same model/barrel. Heck, you can safely put a Norinco HP9 barrel onto an 870 - no sweat. And no headspace check required!

As opposed to:

even if assembled by the same factory will have barrel assembly ring welded on in different spot
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I'll continue to avoid the Turkish guns. Thanks for the honest assessment of the non-interchangeable parts Corwin Arms. It's well appreciated by me, as a discriminating consumer.
 
To Claven2 I think I need to clarify my comment what I meant it is not done because they are sloppy it is done per request of the Shotgun brand ordering from the factory. When it comes to Turkish shotguns and their brand names that we see put on the shotgun, brand name and manufacturer are 2 different entities. Most of the Brand names are just Turkish middle man that orders shotguns from different factories that produce them. There is very few Turkish factories that export directly and market product under their own names. Most of shotguns are branded by the middle man or exporter who puts their own brand name on the product and sales it abroad. For example at IWA this year there were only few Turkish factories represented directly the rest and there were plenty of them were just the export companies.

Different Brands do change some specifications on purpose, to make sure that they are the only ones that supply aftermarket parts. You see most of the Turkish brands available in Canada including 2 brands mentioned above are just a middle man that order from shotgun factories. Guns are build to Brand (middle man) specifications major components are the same however barrels are made different for each brand. As far as barrel swapping from the same brand names and models it is no problem they are identical.
 
Well, two Turkish brands names with some similar and even interchangeable parts may and will have different barrel ring measurements. Turkish replacement barrels aren't even available for sale individually, so the point is moot. Other accessories are becoming more and more prevelant too.

Thanks Martin, don't worry I'll continue to purchase Turkish shotguns from you and the other dedicated CGN dealers who offer them as well.
 
I did hunt in Germany for few years and must say that no self-respecting German hunter will ever touch shotgun that was not made either in Germany, France, England or Russia if they are poor. The rest of them especially southern European shotguns of Spanish, Italian and Turkish variety plus US made pumps and semis are called "Ersatz". It is like Crocodile Dundee was told about hot dog in New York "you can live on it but it does not taste good"
 
erkner said:
I did hunt in Germany for few years and must say that no self-respecting German hunter will ever touch shotgun that was not made either in Germany, France, England or Russia if they are poor. The rest of them especially southern European shotguns of Spanish, Italian and Turkish variety plus US made pumps and semis are called "Ersatz". It is like Crocodile Dundee was told about hot dog in New York "you can live on it but it does not taste good"
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Much of that is snobbery. I own a few fine Suhl-made shotguns. My favorite such maker is Merkel, I've got a great o/u 16/70 by them.

But some great American doubles have been made, same with the Italian beretta a at the higher end of their lines.

As for a Canada goose gun, if Canada's were prevalent in Germany, they would look at pumps and semis differently. Especially in steel-shot compatible versions with choke tubes and 3" or longer chambers.

Some of the American pumps are really well made. Some are as nice as non-adorned grades if guns from England Germany and France. Go look at a new 28 gauge Ithaca 37 for proof. Heck, h&h has built many guns on ugartechea actions. And some Spanish doubles now cost over $10,000 each. Go check out grulla.

Bottom line, Germans have long been all about their own supremacy in most things. It doesn't make it true.
 
Spare barrel are offered in catalogues. They are available for sale as a separate accessories in different markets where individuals can not own so many guns. In Canada we do not have any limits to amount of shotguns we own so no point bringing them for sale but in many European countries one shotgun does many jobs people want multi purpose tool. I have different shotgun for ducks, different for grouse and rabbits even different for hunting on BC coast because it is wet there. When I lived in Europe I only had one because licensing issues, that shotgun was meant for everything. Spare barrel sometimes cost half of the gun on some markets different brands want to supply them themselves.
 
erkner said:
I did hunt in Germany for few years and must say that no self-respecting German hunter will ever touch shotgun that was not made either in Germany, France, England or Russia if they are poor. The rest of them especially southern European shotguns of Spanish, Italian and Turkish variety plus US made pumps and semis are called "Ersatz". It is like Crocodile Dundee was told about hot dog in New York "you can live on it but it does not taste good"
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I'm not doubting you but that is stupid. The finest shotguns being made today are being made in Italy by the Rizzini brothers. Or were....I think they recently retired.

It is quite typical of a parochial attitude found in some places that don't recognize that what was made 50 years ago may not reflect current production. I can remember when Made in Japan meant it was crap. Hasn't been that way for a while so why would I hang on to the attitude?
 
corwin-arms said:
Stocks will be the same, same should be trigger group, bolt, and magazine parts even receiver could be identical. As far as the barrel goes each Turkish brand name even if assembled by the same factory will have barrel assembly ring welded one in different spot. In case barrels are the same be very careful headspace may be different. You need to verify head space before you use it. However I still advice against barrel swapping between different Turkish brands unless done and checked by a gunsmith
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Just the man i needed to answer. Thanks for your detailed response. If i do want to buy a new barrel, can you point me in the right direction?

thanks
 
ATA is done in Canada by O'dell engineering. Pardus is done by someone from Lower Mainland in BC at local gun shows I always saw Pardus offered by Sterling Cross I think they were involved in the distribution. They probably have spare barrels
 
erkner said:
I did hunt in Germany for few years and must say that no self-respecting German hunter will ever touch shotgun that was not made either in Germany, France, England or Russia if they are poor. The rest of them especially southern European shotguns of Spanish, Italian and Turkish variety plus US made pumps and semis are called "Ersatz". It is like Crocodile Dundee was told about hot dog in New York "you can live on it but it does not taste good"
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"Erasatz" - Germans have a tendancy to accuse many manufacturers outside their neighbourhood as being "inferior". Turkey makes great guns. If you want a pardus quality gun you get what you pay for. I don't judge Remington by its express I wouldn't judge all Turkish guns by an ATA etc
 
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