type 22 murata gun ####

[Talquin]

Figure I will post some gun #### from one of the American boards I am on.

Type 22 Murata Japanese Infantry Bolt Action Rifle it has an 8 round tubular magazine and fires a 8X53R Murata round. Only 150,000 of these rifles were made between 1889 and 1899 and of the 150,000 produced the vast majority were destroyed,scrapped or lost since the time production stopped 110 years ago and only a handful of these very rare rifles remain now.

that's a partial post from the guys for sale add.

. hope you guys like.

 

[Tyler]

Thanks!

Never heard of that rifle before, but it sounds like a Japanese copy of a 71/84 Mauser.

Cool stuff.

 

[Steppenwolf]

Interesting lever below the bolt handle, where it tiriaq or Claven when you need them.

Cheers and thank of the post
Kevin

 

[Talquin]

from what I understand ' when japan was westernizing militarily they begged, borrowed , and stole any military advancement. at the time of the Arisaka's they were copying off of 'auser and adding some of their own features.

 

[cyclone]

Type 22 Murata Japanese Infantry Bolt Action Rifle it has an 8 round tubular magazine and fires a 8X53R Murata round.

Sounds like someone had spitzer-envy!

 

[skirsons]

from what I understand ' when japan was westernizing militarily they begged, borrowed , and stole any military advancement. at the time of the Arisaka's they were copying off of 'auser and adding some of their own features.

They had to join the club. After all, the Springfield 1903, P-14, and M1917 were all Mauser actions!

 

[green]

The T22 was based on the Kropatschek. Notable for having the bayonet with the shortest grip.

 

[Talquin]

I have a Arisaka and a Lee-Enfield I do have to wonder why more people didn't go with a Lee-enfield style action over the Mauser. is it because the Lee-Enfield action is owned by the crown and they didn't want to share while Mauser sold his action to the highest bidder?

 

[MiG25]

I have a Arisaka and a Lee-Enfield I do have to wonder why more people didn't go with a Lee-enfield style action over the Mauser. is it because the Lee-Enfield action is owned by the crown and they didn't want to share while Mauser sold his action to the highest bidder?

even the british were going to dump the LE in favour of a mauseresque design. the start of WWI prevented this from happening.

i am sure there are many reasons both on the technical and on the salesmanship side.

there must be something too it. almost every country that had a CHOICE choose a mauser rifle.

 

[Talquin]

I suppose if Mauser was going to give you a war tried action cheap on friendlier terms that would help. Germany was in the Asian sphere on influence. They helped China with their guns and Japan with theirs.

England didn't want to help china or japan is my guess.

 

[cyclone]

there must be something too it. almost every country that had a CHOICE choose a mauser rifle.

People where impressed with the Mauser's range for the longest time, and they oft attributed it to the rifle's mechanism (as oppose to the mechanism & the ammunition used). The Mauser extractor and 3-lug must have seemed as though they were to be good choices, though, for the variety of ammo that would be chambered for this style of rifle, internationally.

Okay, now tell me why I'm wrong...

 

[john@]

Where is the tube mag, in the stock or under the barrel?