Type 97 Accessories?

I'm guessing someone will change the flash eliminator ...probably Dlask...to M16 bird cage so M9 will fit. Early models had those, but were changed at the request of Cambodia.
 
For threading the muzzle I just talked to Joe Dlask
and he said that generally speaking it would be no problem
(details to be discussed).
 
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The following info in this post is from me, not Joe Dlask:

1. IMO, providing the flash hider
is very possible as well - not the YHM, but the 4 cuts type,
6 cuts birdcage or with un-cut bottom (compensator type).
Again, IMO only.


Read this carefully:

2. As far as the restricted 97, even if the custom-threaded muzzle
will accept a lot of the AR muzzle attachments,
the threaded muzzle of the restricted 97 cannot look like a AR muzzle,
no matter how hard you try.
I am not sure about the 97 non-restricted, though.

Make your mind about what you want
before you jump in with both your feet.
 
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Lector,
I don't want to derail this thread, but since we are on the topic of muzzle attachments. In your opinion, do you think a Noveske KX3 would work sufficiently to operate the T97 shorty? It is used successfully on AK74U and Krinkov's in other countries. I'm also wondering if a new booster/hider (like the Dlask one you posted pics of in the Vz58 thread) would make the shorty smoke less gas in my face? I know Dlask did the one that NEMO has and apparently it doesn't "smoke" now. I'm thinking the Noveske and the Dlask unit would be less "efficient" boosters as it is not their primary design function, and may work sufficiently to function the rifle properly, but still cause less smoke? I don't know if the booster is even the issue, just a thought in the dark.

Besides, the Noveske KX3 looks Bad A$$:redface:

Your thoughts are appreciated.

Pic of NEMO's gun (taken from his post in another thread)..I'm pretty sure this is Dlasks unit:
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Pics of the Noveske. The slots in the front of the unit are supposed to be used to cut barbed wire. You put the barbed wire into the slots and pull the trigger!!! :D.

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Deckard, I will know the answer about the
possible compatibility when I will have in my hands
the M9, the T97 and the AR FH at the same time,
hopefully in a few days.




Clobbersauras,
You have to realize that you are actually firing a 223
in a very short barrel in a bullpup gun.
The muzzle is VERY close to your face,
even if oriented in a opposite direction.
Yes, I know it is un-pleasant.



The brake on Nemo’s gun is a muzzle-raise compensator
and is good at what it is supposed to do,
but its intentional secondary effect is that of a recoil reducer.
Because of that, you will have even more gas (and smoke)
thrown in your face (from a very short barrel in a bullpup).
Originally that design is intended
and it is very effective for 14.5”-16.5” AR’s.
It was copied by few companies,
but people know mostly about PWS (Primary Weapons Systems)
who pimped that design very much,
but they didn’t invent it
(how they want to make people to believe).
Here’s a demo of the gun stability
(click the links at the bottom of this page):
http://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=603



Noveske type FH’s will work very similar to your existing gas booster
as they are based on the same design.
They direct most of the gas forward,
but some gas will get back and slap you in your face.


Between yours and a Noveske, I am not sure if you will feel
a whole of a difference concerning that.
You can go ahead and buy a Noveske if you feel like
for the LCF and if you have nothing else to spend your money on.
Whatever you do, do not buy the Chinese copies of the Noveske
that started to appear on the Canadian market,
because they are very badly made.
I tested several from 4 or 5 different batches, and I found
that they are machined so eccentric that they wobble
when you screw them in
(and on a particular one, the bullet was touching the diffuser),
the O-ring gets pinched and cut in the thread,
the thread for the muzzle is never calibrated (either too big,
or so small that I almost wrecked a barrel).

If you can’t find an original Noveske but you can wait,
there are 2 Canadian companies (that I know of)
that are about to spill very close copies on the market.
The product of at least one of these companies
is of very outstanding quality.
More than likely you will see threads in here
in maybe less than a month about those FH's
with Canadian symbols on them and the whole shabang).
 
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Dr.Lector said:
Clobbersauras,
You have to realize that you are actually firing a 223
in a very short barrel in a bullpup gun.
The muzzle is VERY close to your face,
even if oriented in a opposite direction.
Yes, I know it is un-pleasant.
Click to expand...


Lector,
thank you very much for your reply, as usual it is very informative. I'm not sure I explained my "gas" issue clearly. Gas probably isn't the right term. Maybe the better term to use would be "smoke". The muzzle blast is quite a thrill and all but that's not what is bothering me. I'm not getting slapped in the face as it where, with gas.

After I shoot (one shot or five or ten) smoke drifts up around the charging handle and sometimes it gets into my eyes (even though I wear safety glasses) or I breath in a good bit of it. I get the smoke after the rifle has cycled the action and I'm waiting to take another shot. If I fire off a quick string of two or three, or ten, it's after I finish the string that I get the smoke. If I fire slowly enough I get it after every shot.

The smoke is not so bad that the gun is uncomfortable to fire. It only gets in my eye occasionally or if I get a bit of wind in the face.

Here's a small edited video clip from my very first range session with the rifle. The version shown here is right after firing five quick rounds. (pay no attention to the audio I was trying to say "just so you can see steam coming off the barrel" but it sounds like I'm speaking a different language LOL:redface:.

If you look closely you can see smoke coming from two places:
1) the muzzle
2) from around the charging handle under the hand guard.

The only thing I can think that is happening is that after a round is fired perhaps "smoke" (not gas) is collecting in the gas booster and somehow getting back around the piston and up around the charging handle. It was my hope that maybe another Flash Hider/Booster may alleviate the issue. I have no problem waiting for the Canadian made version of the Noveske and I'm not so much concerned with looks as I am with improving the rifle.

EDIT: For those reading this thread...Once again as far as I know this issue is only with the Type 97 Shorty....the Smoke issue does not happen with the regular barrel T97 version.




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I tried my C7 bayonet on my Type 97. It does fit but will not lock. It seems that a modification to the bayonet rather than the rifle could be done.

However, I don't know about you but I don't do a lot of bayonetting with my rifles...........
 
Deckard said:
It seems that you have to live with a measure of that. On short barrels, the powder is still burning as the bullet leaves the muzzle.
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Thanks Deck. Nemo has told me that a friend of his cured the problem. That's why I thought maybe it may have to do with the muzzle attachments. But I can't get any more info than that:(.
 
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