Unconventional PCCs: Ruger 44, Remington 14.5, Savage 23

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I love the idea of PCCs but the same cookie-cutter glock mag blow back 9mm gets a bit boring.

I just picked up a Ruger Model 44, a hidden gem in my opinion. A gas operated, rotating bolt, tube mag fed, 18.5" barrel 44 mag that looks like a 10/22.

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I also love my Remington Model 14-1/2, a pump action 44-40, Dominion of Canada proof marked, magnificently machined, a beautiful streamline take-down design by John Pederson, that has military provenance! 4000 were purchased to arm aircraft by the British Admiralty. The tube holds 12. A great repeater.

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Last is my Savage Model 23 Sporter. A mag fed, bolt action in 32-20. This thing will sling cam-pro 71gr 32 ACP bullets at nearly 2000 FPS. What a riot. The barrel and action are all one piece, a very interesting design.

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Lets hear some of yours!
 
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Beauties! All three of those are on my wish list. Although technically the 44 WCF and 32WCF are rifle cartridges.

The Remington 240 gr JSP was supposed to have been designed for the Ruger.

Had 2 Destroyer Carbines in 9mm Largo, they both went down the road years ago, not sure what I was thinking.
 
Here’s one of the first “Assault Weapons” which actually fit the description better than an AR15.
The 1907 Winchester 351WSL shoots a 180gr projectile at about 1900fps with an energy nearly identical to the 30-30.
You could get a 15rd mag and was also made in fully auto. These were deadly in the trenches in WW1
Oops I might have said to much.
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MiG25 said:
Beauties! All three of those are on my wish list. Although technically the 44 WCF and 32WCF are rifle cartridges.

The Remington 240 gr JSP was supposed to have been designed for the Ruger.

Had 2 Destroyer Carbines in 9mm Largo, they both went down the road years ago, not sure what I was thinking.
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Yes indeed. Mine will not cycle properly with 180 gr, it seems to need the 240s. Another thing NEVER use nonjacketed bullets, the lead will block the gas port and it can be a real pain to fix.
 
The Rugers have almost a cult following. You don't see them for sale very often, and the asking price usually gives one pause. Hard to find a handier rifle for Eastern deer or bear hunting.
Those slide action Remingtons are beautifully made, with very smooth actions. But when I take one apart, I imagine that they must have been a nightmare to manufacture. Intricately machined steel parts.
 
MiG25 said:
Beauties! All three of those are on my wish list. Although technically the 44 WCF and 32WCF are rifle cartridges.

The Remington 240 gr JSP was supposed to have been designed for the Ruger.

Had 2 Destroyer Carbines in 9mm Largo, they both went down the road years ago, not sure what I was thinking.
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I figured they were both chambered in pistols from the get-go so close enough.

The 351 WSL seems similar but was never a pistol cartridge. I prefer my 401 WSL “Hammer of Thor”
 
JaredP said:
I figured they were both chambered in pistols from the get-go so close enough.

The 351 WSL seems similar but was never a pistol cartridge. I prefer my 401 WSL “Hammer of Thor”
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Yes I want the 1910 next. I always wanted a Ruger 44 carbine as well. They come up from time to time and you have to be quick or it will get away.
 
mac100 said:
Yes I want the 1910 next. I always wanted a Ruger 44 carbine as well. They come up from time to time and you have to be quick or it will get away.
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The Ruger I didn't buy, and have kicked myself ever since was the International with Mannlicher stock and rear aperture sight milled into the left sidewall of the receiver. That is an extremely rare variant.
 
Yes, that is the International. Some .44s were made with the receiver milled to accept a conventional aperture sight elevation and windage arm - no base screwed to the sidewall.
I saw that rifle at a show probably 30 years ago. IIRC, ask was $750 then. I eventually bought a really fine standard carbine for $450. It is a later one, with the latch to allow unloading through the bottom. Put one side by side with a 10/22 and the .44 isn't much larger; just a bit heaver. Certainly carries well. I have a 1 1/2-4 scope mounted.
 
I’d argue that those are quite conventional. I’d love a Ruger 44 carbine, not going to happen unless I fall in to a deal.

Marlin Camp Carbine is another nice one I’d like to get my hands on.

Why Ruger doesn’t make a .45 I’ll never know.
 
I think if Ruger started making them again, they would sell a pile of them, especially if they kept strictly to the original design ( no detachable mag.)
 
Leg said:
I’d argue that those are quite conventional. I’d love a Ruger 44 carbine, not going to happen unless I fall in to a deal.

Marlin Camp Carbine is another nice one I’d like to get my hands on.

Why Ruger doesn’t make a .45 I’ll never know.
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The Camp Carbine is restricted on barrel length, though. There'd be a bit more point to owning one if it were NR. But something that took 1911 magazines might facilitate using it in 3-gun / multigun with a 1911, whether .45 ACP or 9mm, and then you're carting a restricted to the range anyway.
 
Leg said:
I’d argue that those are quite conventional. I’d love a Ruger 44 carbine, not going to happen unless I fall in to a deal.

Marlin Camp Carbine is another nice one I’d like to get my hands on.

Why Ruger doesn’t make a .45 I’ll never know.
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literally every thread on the front page of this forum except for this one, and one about a Marlin 94, is about a polymer, simple blowback 9mm PCC.

These are not unconventional rifles. They are unconventional "PCC"'s.
 
model 1910 in 44AMP ,1910 in 357SM ,model 1907 in 30 carbine .Ruger chambered the 30 carbine and 357 SM in revolvers ad the the 44 was in an auto
 
pmatuk said:
model 1910 in 44AMP ,1910 in 357SM ,model 1907 in 30 carbine .Ruger chambered the 30 carbine and 357 SM in revolvers ad the the 44 was in an auto
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Do you have 1907 and 1910 in those calibres? Those are pretty cool. I had a 1907 once, but let it go, deciding to keep just my 1910 as my representative Winchester SL. It's a fun gun, i'm using converted 414 super mag brass and double-powdercoated 40 S&W bullets, so it's basically a PCC!
 
mac100 said:
The 1907 Winchester 351WSL shoots a 180gr projectile at about 1900fps with an energy nearly identical to the 30-30.
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.30-30 is good for about 35% more energy than the .351, not to mention a much greater sectional density for the same weight bullet.

.351 WSL is about identical to .357 mag out of a rifle.
 
Odinson said:
Yes indeed. Mine will not cycle properly with 180 gr, it seems to need the 240s. Another thing NEVER use nonjacketed bullets, the lead will block the gas port and it can be a real pain to fix.
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Is that unique to the Rugers? One has been on "the list" forever, but I almost exclusively shoot cast in pistol cartridges. I've had zero gas port issues shooting literal hundreds of pounds of lead out of a .30 Carbine. If for some reason the 44 doesn't eat cast that would definitely be a deal breaker.
 
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