Unissued Russkie SKS?

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Anybody absolutely sure they have "unissued" russkies?

How does anyone know that they have lucked out on that rare un-issued, non refurbed 51 or whatever?

What are the tell-tale signs and other not-so-obvious signs that a russkie has never been issued?
 
I have a 1953,from Moving Target. Was sold as an unissued one, and i believe is really unissued. 1:There no refurb stamp,even in refurb sometime the russian dont put the
refurb mark. 2: the bluing is 100%,no touch up paint anywhere. 3:,alls numbers matchs.
4: there no wear on the receiver where the bolt travel. 5: no mark on the hammer face where the hammer hit the firing pin,hammer bluing is 100%. 6:bolt face is 100%clean. That said, the front sight appear have been adjusted so maybe the armorers have shot very fews rounds to sight in before putting in storage. Stock have very little handling mark on it, i guess must be normal for a mass produced military carbine. So i like to believe that is unissued but i could be wrong too:confused:
 
SVT, the 1955 (with laminated stock) I got from Leverarms look like they fit the same description as your 53. I've read that the 55/56 came originally fitted with lam or birch stocks.

My 56 (birch) as well, fits the description except that the 56 has a refurb diamond stamp on the cover and both 55 and 56 have forced matched stocks.

So my 55 could really be a non-refurbed unissued, and the 56 a refurbed unissued?
 
My 56 (birch) as well, fits the description except that the 56 has a refurb diamond stamp on the cover and both 55 and 56 have forced matched stocks.

So my 55 could really be a non-refurbed unissued, and the 56 a refurbed unissued?

IMHO, if any part of your rifle is refurb then you do not have an unissued.
 
SVT, the 1955 (with laminated stock) I got from Leverarms look like they fit the same description as your 53. I've read that the 55/56 came originally fitted with lam or birch stocks.

My 56 (birch) as well, fits the description except that the 56 has a refurb diamond stamp on the cover and both 55 and 56 have forced matched stocks.

So my 55 could really be a non-refurbed unissued, and the 56 a refurbed unissued?

I cant see the point of refurbishing an un-issued gun.
Maybe it happened sometime somewhere, but I would have to wonder why.
 
Hi,
it is hard to tell. I personally think i have 2 unissued out of the 4 i bought, but i cant be 100% sure. In fact, i bought an hour ago what i think to be a unrefurbised 1954 izvesk for 270$ tx inc at my local gun shop!!! I also found last week what i think to be an unrefurbised tula that i bought for 270$. The bad thing is that my girlfriend think 4 sks is too much, so i have to sell at least 1 to protect my other milsurp...

Fred
 
fredqc, 4 SKS will only cover half the years of manufacture. I want a sample of each year.:)

it is hard to tell. I personally think i have 2 unissued out of the 4 i bought, but i cant be 100% sure.

That's exactly the reason for this thread. I hope more guys would chime in with their thoughts. Thanks for yours.

Out of topic, but my wife has stopped bugging me about the quantity of my toys because she knows nagging will get her nowhere. I have also made it clear that my toys are non-negotiable, the same way her clothes and accessories are. We decided we both have the maturity and financial responsiblity to control our expenses on these non-essentials, and we are both happy. FWIW, she has more shoes than I have guns. I lose.:D Sorry for the rant.
 
Thanks for your replies, Tootall and Curtton.

I will simplify the question. I have read the SKS45 FAQ etc sticky but did not find the answer there, or perhaps missed it. Please help. Thank you

How can I really know if my SKS is "un-issued"- therefore it is New-Old-Stock and unfired except perhaps at the manufacturer for function test? Please see pictures of my 55 below. What can you say about it?


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By the mainstream description, if it has no factory refurb marks on the receiver cover, it's un-issued. I have three of them, each from a different years. I am hoping to get one from each year and each factory to complete my collection. I have a long way to go.

In reality, the above statement is as valid is used TP. There is no way you can prove each part of the SKS is a factory un-issued production part, no matter how savvy you are at collecting. I have never been to the factory to pick my rifle before it was exported. I doubt anyone else here has either.

Here is a little piece of reality for you. Anyone can order a receiver cover from the U.S. from surplus with no factory refurb issue marks on it dated, slap it on a refurb, and cry UN-ISSUED. But for the sake of discussion here and how SKS's are graded in Canada, follow the FAQ. Take it with a grain of salt.

Un-issued rifles have basic identifiers:

1. No refurb marking on the receiver cover (diamond or square)
2. Every part on the rifle has NO movement marks. (unless someone here in Canada dinked with it before it was boxed up)
3. All matching numbers. Dead giveaway it's not an un-issued is if the serial # on the stock is X'ed out and the serial # is put on it again.
4. Bayo marks on the barrel.

That's the "simple" way to check.

To be honest, even the "un-issued" ones here are not "un-issued" because the GPNS made us pin them to five and the magazine has been "modified" so technically it's no longer un-issued. But again, use the FAQ as a guide.
 
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Thank you Ki11ercane and deanner.

I read the SKS FAQ sticky and there is no mention or explanation of the significance of the "check" or shallow V-mark on the receiver of my 55 Tula, as shown in the previous pictures.

Has anyone seen this V-mark or anything similar to it? Can somebody explain what this mark is for?
 
A few things about your gun. Seeing as I can't see the serial number on the receiver,I'll take it as not being a letter series. The stock is on it's second rifle. The handguard is hardwood,not laminate. Now the rest of the gun looks to be in pretty good shape. So it could be one of those excellent condition rifles that was caught up in nothing more than a stock swap,and was subsequently refurb marked. I've seen unissueds get caught in a refurb bunch,and get marked but are still in the original stock. The popular thinking is that they were marked to show someone checked them over.
 
So it could be one of those excellent condition rifles that was caught up in nothing more than a stock swap,and was subsequently refurb marked.

WB, It sure looks in excellent shape, like new even, were it not for the stock being forced matched. The shallow-V mark on the receiver still bothers me. Deanner aand DAR701 seem to think it is a poorly struck refurb diamond, but the mark looks like a deliberate strike without the other half of the diamond. What can you say about this?
 
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WB, It sure looks in excellent shape, like new even, were it not for the stock being forced matched. The shallow-V mark on the receiver still bothers me. Deanner aand DAR701 seem to think it is a poorly struck refurb diamond, but the mark looks like a deliberate strike without the other half of the diamond. What can you say about this?

i'll have to side with deanner and DAR701 .

also as i mentioned in my sticky that some refurb work is so good that its hard to tell its been refurb .
 
WB, It sure looks in excellent shape, like new even, were it not for the stock being forced matched. The shallow-V mark on the receiver still bothers me. Deanner aand DAR701 seem to think it is a poorly struck refurb diamond, but the mark looks like a deliberate strike without the other half of the diamond. What can you say about this?


Sorry,Easy. But I have to agree with the rest of the gang. It's a half of a refurb diamond. I've had ones like your's and black bolt ones with the same half struck marking on them. I've also seen partly struck squares.
 
It's a half of a refurb diamond. I've had ones like your's and black bolt ones with the same half struck marking on them. I've also seen partly struck squares.

Thank you, Curtton and Woodbeef, that's the definitive response I was waiting for. I really appreciate your help.

BTW, got a 51 and 52 coming home this week. They looked good at Lever when I picked them out but couldn't bring them home last Saturday because the firearms center was closed. No diamonds, squares, partial or complete. Can't remember which one, but one had matching stock.

Will post pictures at earliest opportunity for your expert opinions.
 
easy: i forgot to say according to your pic , you done well , considering there was some pretty crappy ones there .
 
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