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ok , so yesterday i went on the cssa website , and found a bunch of legalese stuff about unsafe storage. I read something about powder having to be stored in a box made of 3/4 inch plywood , no nails , or brass nails ..... Does this mean , that if i buy my reloading powder, that i have to store it this way ? I presently have it in a steel Ammo Cabinet, double locked ., but still in it's original black plastic bottle and tightly sealed. Is this acceptable or ? Could someone please clarify as to exactly how it must be stored ? thanks guys :)
 
Powder falls under the explosives branch, not the firearms act, if memory serves. So a wooden box, brass fittings, no more then 10kg stored on your premises (and the lads in blue count every container as full, regardless of how much is actually in it). Do a search here and you find all the rest of the details. - dan
 
So I do have to keep it in a wooden box ???? Why don't the stores have to store it this way ? I see it all the time just right out in the open in the plastic bottles it comes in , right on the shelf, and the cssa site said i could have 45kg in my house and 75kg if i had it outside in a separate building *boggle* who on earth even keeps that much at home ???:eek:
 
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So I do have to keep it in a wooden box ???? Why don't the stores have to store it this way ? I see it all the time just right out in the open in the plastic bottles it comes in , right on the shelf, and the cssa site said i could have 45kg in my house and 75kg if i had it outside in a separate building *boggle* who on earth even keeps that much at home ???:eek:
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I'd like to see the 45kg mark.

CSSA Website said:
Storage by an individual who is not licensed as an explosives magazine:

at a home, a detached house, is not to exceed 10 kg in the aggregate
if kept in a separate out building dedicated to the storage of gun powder then the storage can be up to 75 kg in the aggregate (this is a detached store)
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CSSA Website said:
When you are reloading you should be in an area dedicated to reloading, no fumes, matches, smoking, no lights that can cause an explosion. Only 2 kg can be out of the locked box and in the room with you. At the end of the session all the explosives must be returned to the locked box. And you cannot resell or give away these cartridges. If you intend to, you need a license and more restrictions must be met. If you do not follow this you will be liable to be charged with unsafe storage under the Criminal Code.
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Exerpt from the Explosives act

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/showdoc/cr/C.R.C.-c.599/bo-ga:l_XII//en#anchorbo-ga:l_XII
PART XII


AMOUNT OF AUTHORIZED EXPLOSIVE THAT MAY BE KEPT FOR USE AND NOT FOR SALE IN PLACES OTHER THAN LICENSED FACTORIES AND LICENSED MAGAZINES AND REGISTERED PREMISES AND THE MANNER IN WHICH IT SHALL BE HANDLED AND STORED



132. This Part does not apply to premises used for the keeping of explosives of Division 1 of Class 6 (ammunition) or of Division 2 of Class 7 (fireworks).



133. Subject to this Part, explosives kept for private use, and not for sale, in any place other than a licensed magazine or licensed factory shall be kept in a detached store or a suitable receptacle as defined in this Part and the quantity of explosives so kept shall not exceed the maximum quantities prescribed by this Part.



134. In this Part, "detached store" means


(a) a building well and substantially constructed of brick, stone, concrete, or other fire-resistant substance or of wood covered or treated with fire-resistant material, and



(b) a bin well and substantially constructed of wood covered or treated with fire-resistant material,



which building, or bin is



(c) detached from any dwelling house and situated at a safe distance from any highway, street, public thoroughfare, or public place;



(d) made and closed so as to prevent unauthorized persons having access thereto, and to secure it from danger from without; and



(e) exclusively used for the keeping of explosives.




135. In regard to any detached store, the following provisions shall be observed:


(a) the door of the store shall be of substantial construction and shall open outwards, and shall be kept securely closed and locked except when the store is required to be open for the receipt or issue of explosives, or for other necessary purpose;



(b) adequate provision shall be made for the ventilation of the store;



(c) the interior of the store and all fittings therein shall be so constructed, covered or lined as to prevent the exposure of any iron or steel, or of any hard or gritty surface, or the entry, detaching or accumulating of any grit, iron, steel, or similar substance;



(d) the interior of the store shall be kept scrupulously clean;



(e) in the case of any explosive that is liable to be dangerously affected by water, such as those of Division 1 of Class 3, due precautions shall be taken to exclude water from the store;



(f) any article or substance of a highly inflammable nature, or any article liable to cause fire or explosion shall be kept at a safe distance from the store;



(g) no fire, lights, matches, oiled waste, iron, steel, grit or any article liable to spontaneous ignition, or likely to cause explosion or fire shall be taken into, or permitted to be at any time in the store;



(h) all tools or implements kept or used in a store where explosives are present, or in opening, securing or removing packages containing explosives shall be made only of copper, bronze, brass, gun metal, wood or other safe and suitable material; and



(i) the store shall have the word “EXPLOSIVES” clearly displayed thereon in large letters on a contrasting background.




136. In this Part, “suitable receptacle” means a substantial box or substantial container,


(a) that may be placed inside a building that is not itself adapted for the keeping of explosives;



(b) the location of which is not changed from that prescribed by an inspector or under provincial or municipal law;



(c) that is kept away from goods of an inflammable nature; and



(d) that is of easy access for removal in case of fire.




137. In regard to any receptacle, the following provisions shall be observed:


(a) it shall be provided with a closely fitting lid secured by a lock, and hinges and fastenings, preferably of copper or brass, and otherwise closed and secured so as to prevent unauthorized persons having access thereto, and shall be kept locked except when required to be open for receipt or removal of explosives, or other necessary purpose;



(b) it shall be exclusively used for the keeping of explosives;



(c) it shall be made of wood, copper or other suitable material;



(d) the interior of the receptacle and all fittings therein shall be so constructed, covered or lined as to prevent the exposure of any iron or steel, or of any hard or gritty surface, or the entry, detaching, or accumulating of grit, iron, steel or similar substance;



(e) the interior of the receptacle shall be kept scrupulously clean; and



(f) the receptacle shall have the word “EXPLOSIVES” conspicuously displayed thereon on a contrasting background.




138. Explosives kept for use and not for sale shall not be kept on the same premises with any explosive that is not an authorized explosive or an explosive of Class 5 (fulminate).



139. No detonators shall be kept in a detached store or suitable receptacle in which explosives of Class 1, 2, 3 or 4 or safety fuses, fuse lighters, igniter cords or connectors are stored.



140. (1) Subject to subsection (3), the quantity of authorized explosives that may be kept in a detached store, whether or not the explosives are kept in a suitable receptacle, shall not


(a) in the case of explosives of Classes 1, 2, 3 and 4, exceed 75 kg in the aggregate; and



(b) in the case of detonators, exceed 100.



(2) Subject to subsection (3), the quantity of authorized explosives that may be kept in a suitable receptacle shall not


(a) in the case of explosives of Classes 1, 2, 3 and 4, exceed 10 kg in the aggregate, of which not more than 5 kg shall be blasting cartridges; and them; and



(b) in the case of detonators, exceed 100.



(3) Subsections (1) and (2) do not apply in respect of safety fuses, fuse lighters, igniter cords and connectors.


(4) and (5) [Revoked, SOR/90-571, s. 2]

SOR/90-571, s. 2.



141. When two or more explosives are kept on the same premises they shall each be kept in separate stores or receptacles, so separated from one another as to effectually prevent fire or explosion in one explosive from communicating with the other, except that


(a) the various explosives of Class 1 (gunpowder), Class 2 (nitrate mixture), Class 3 (nitro-compound), Class 4 (chlorate-mixture), safety fuse belonging to Division 1 of Class 6 (ammunition), and such of the various explosives of Division 2 of Class 6 (ammunition) as do not contain any exposed iron or steel, may be kept in the same store or receptacle with each other without any intervening partition or space;



(b) the various explosives of Division 1 of Class 6 (ammunition) may be kept in the same store or receptacle with each other without any intervening partition or space;



(c) such of the various explosives of Division 2 of Class 6 (ammunition) as contain exposed iron or steel may be kept in the same store or receptacle with each other without any intervening partition or space;



(d) the various explosives of Division 3 of Class 6 (ammunition) may be kept in the same store or receptacle with each other without any intervening partition or space; and



(e) the various explosives of Class 7 (fireworks) may be kept in the same store or receptacle with each other without any intervening partition or space.




PART XIII


POSSESSION OF EXPLOSIVES




142. (1) Subject to subsection (2), a person may have explosives in his possession if


(a) he has been issued and has in his possession a valid Purchase and Possession Permit;



(b) he has been issued and has in his possession a valid licence or permit issued by an authorized provincial or territorial department or agency providing for the storage of explosives;



(c) he has been issued and has in his possession an Importers Transmission Schedule, validated by a customs officer;



(d) the explosives are being transported in a vehicle, of which he is the driver, that complies with Part VI and he has in his possession the documents prescribed by the Transportation of Dangerous Goods Regulations; or



(e) he imports the explosives under section 148 for private use and not for sale.



(2) No person referred to in subsection (1) may have explosives in his possession unless


(a) he handles, stores and transports the explosives in accordance with these Regulations;



(b) the type of explosive is the same as, and the quantity thereof no greater than, that specified in the applicable permit, licence, schedule or documents referred to in paragraphs 1(a) to (d); and



(c) he is of the applicable age prescribed by section 120.3 for the purchase of those explosives and has purchased or imported the explosives in accordance with all other requirements of these Regulations.


SOR/90-84, s. 3.



143. A person may have up to 75 kilograms of gunpowder and small arms propellant in his possession if they are stored in accordance with Part XII.



144. Any person having explosives in his possession shall arrange for and cause to be carried out their destruction or suitable disposition prior to or on the expiry of the relevant licence or Purchase and Possession Permit.



145. [Revoked, SOR/89-380, s. 2]



146. Any person may have in his possession any explosive on behalf of an inspector or a peace officer.

SOR/82-779, s. 8; SOR/89-169, s. 8.



147. No person shall have in his possession an explosive that has been declared to be an authorized explosive if the nature and composition of the explosive, the limiting percentages of each ingredient of the explosive or the packaging or markings of the explosive are not in accordance with the particulars given pursuant to section 16.
 
Cut and past from another post. This topic was BEAT TO DEATH, brought back to life, and beat some more.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=204032

I think joe is starting to feel a bit frustrated

Ok. I'll give him a break and let him know that some of us are still with him. Reality check time Sorry guys, but I have to. He's obviously suffering here ROFL


1. The feds are NOT going to come and inspect your reloading setup - EVER!! Even if the CFO was to schedual my once, or maybe even twice in a lifetime inspection, I'm pretty sure all of my stray, questionable bits and pieces would magically find their way into my neighbours garage before he got there Your local police, provincial police, or the RCMP are not going to barge into your house looking for things to charge you with unless you've already drawn some negative attention to yourself. If you really want them to, a good way might be to start shooting at cars driving by on the street out front...commit a bank robbery....assault someone....whatever LOL!!!

2. The fire department is NOT going to nail you to the wall if they see a poof from a couple of pounds of powder going off while your house is burning to the foundation because it's just going to burn off. Smokeless powder will NOT explode unless you put it into a container that will hold some serious pressure and then heat it. I've watched a serious house fire, from almost the start, to final hose being shut off. There are arosol cans poping off like fireworks with fairly large poofs of flame. Various burning substances are churning out OH MY GOD amounts of black, toxic smoke. Windows are shattering. Stuff is falling inside the house. The constant roar of the fire was pretty damned intense once it got going. A few boxes of primers going off are barely going to be noticed over the background noise.

3. Using non-ferrous metal fasteners in your box construction is a complete waste of time unless you're planning on (a) making sure these fasteners are protruding into the inside of the box and (b) you're planning on throwing metal objects in there at a high enough speed to make a spark and (c) you're planning on leaving an open can of powder in there, or a bunch of primers, open side up laying on the bottom of the box while you're throwing hard objects at the nails!!!!! If you do this, you are a flipping R-E-T-A-R-D and NO amount of safety is going to protect you!!!!! LOL!!!!

4. Static electric discharge is almost no risk when dealing with smokeless power. I put some on a piece of aluminum foil and did the drag your sock feet across the carpet thing probably a dozen times. Eventually, I got tired of the shocks and stopped. No fire. Yes, my wife thinks I'm nuts, but after I built a 5' tesla coil in the garage, she stopped asking and I never give out free information I said "almost" because stranger things have hapened. I did light it by sprinkling some on a piece of metal and then ran the discharge from an ignition wire from my truck to the plate. It did eventually light, but it took quite a few hits before it did. This is more juice than you're ever going to generate by walking across your carpet. I couldn't even get it to light when I sprinkled some on the jaw of my vise and then used the sparker from a bic lighter. I had to actually light the lighter, then touch the flame to the trail of powder.

5. The explosives industry has been packaging dynamite in cardboard boxes for decades. If it's safe enough for them at a manufacturing level while surrounded by THOUSANDS of tons of other explosives, I'm pretty sure we don't need to be enclosing our wee bit of stuff in a hard, wooden, specially made box.

6. They're telling you to make it out of wood. Wood burns in a fire. What hapens then???

Ok joe. Are you feeling better now?? LOL!!!!!

Here's my personal take on it. If you've got kids that are at that age where their fingers are busy, and they like to experiment, put your stuff into something that's lockable. Just in case there is a fire in your house, make sure that it will not allow a pressure build up great enough to detonate powder. This is several hundred PSI at least and is probably up in the thousands of PSI. No tightly sealed metal boxes that can't vent and things of that sort. The stuff has been used by reloaders for decades. Have you ever heard of anyone that had powder or primers magically explode on their own when they weren't using them (they were stored)??? If you have, I'm sorry but I'm gonna say that I don't believe you right up front
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Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but during a recent course, we were told that black powder is an explosive, but not the powder used for rifle & pistol cartridges. That is considered a flammable, like paint thinner.
Black powder goes bang, the rest just burns fast.
 
Hypothetically speaking, what about a surplus 7.62X39mm ammo crate with brass hasp and padlock, properly labelled? I don't know what the hardware is made of, but it's heavily painted, and the regs only say "preferably" brass.

They're not cheap at $200, but like Canadammo says, they do come with 1120 rounds of 7.62X39 as a bonus :).
 
Hoser-eh said:
Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but during a recent course, we were told that black powder is an explosive, but not the powder used for rifle & pistol cartridges. That is considered a flammable, like paint thinner.
Black powder goes bang, the rest just burns fast.
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You are right...Blackpowder is considered a Class "A" explosive (low pressure)...Smokeless is classed as a propellant.....
 
From the PDF I got from NRCAN:

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Black Powder is classed as a 1.1D Explosive
Smokeless Powder is classed as a 1.3C Explosive
Class "A" & "B" explosives were terms used frequently when shipping south of the border. The US has (with a lot of kicking and screaming) adopted, UN shipping standards and terminology for explosive shipping
 
dang , ya beat me to it , that was my next post here, though I talked to a guy at the CFA and he is telling me that my powder in my locked STEEL ammo cabinet , holding only powder in that one and having a door that would easily break way in case of explosion , would prob be ok . should i believe him? or should i do the box thing , and yes where do i get the signs?
 
no there is no limit on loaded rounds :) and all you must do is keep it separate from the guns , doesn't even have to be locked..... read the thing on the cfa site ....in the how has the cfa done anything for the guns community or whatever it's called , oh crap i can mail you the file if you like i saved it on my puter :)
 
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