Unusually bad luck with Remington ammo.

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About 2 weeks ago, while deer hunting using my Thompson Center Encore in 7mm08. Deer comes in that Im going to shoot, pull the trigger and "click"....deer looks in my direction, when it looks away I pull the hammer back and pull the trigger "click"....once again the deer looks in my direction stamps it front foot a couple times goes back to eating......pull the hammer back again, pull the trigger "click" the deer takes off.

Its quite cold so Im thinking the firing pin is frozen. Open the rifle take the cartridge and the primer is solidly hit, check the firing firing pin and it moves freely.

Long story short I put a fresh shell in the rifle and 45min later the deer comes back..."click" 3 times again. However this time I am able to load a fresh shell while the deer is there and this time the shell fires and I get the deer.

I compare the FTF shells to other shells and the primer strike appears the same on all of them.

Today Im at the range sighting in my M77 Ruger in 220swift. Once again Remington ammo. And I get another "click". Primer strike is the same as all the others. Shake the shell and it doesnt seem to have any powder in it either.

Ive been shooting close to 40 yrs and have never had an FTF from factory ammo, and in two weeks Ive now had 3.

Think I will send a letter to Remington now.
 
FTF = Fail to Feed

You had a misfire. How fresh were these? Sometimes cartridges carried around in a pocket for a season or two will have this issue.

Remington makes millions of rounds a year, there will always be a certain amount of bad bullets

if they test fired each one, we would never get any ammo LOL :)
 
On this case its " Fail to Fire"...

The 7-08 were bought earlier this year.

The 220 swift are a few years old...the one that didnt fire has no powder in it.

Ive had shells for years, been in my pocket or rolled around in the truck for ever, and never had issues!
 
i have ammo thats 10 to 20 years old. when i shoot it it goes off. some of the new ammo and brass is crap. age has nothing to do with it.
 
Its not age per say.....I have had ammo that I used for hunting bunnies....after a few years of going from sub zero to humid room temp I started to get misfires.

Each year I will go out with ammo that has not been out before.....just saying
 
yomomma said:
FTF = Fail to Feed

You had a misfire. How fresh were these? Sometimes cartridges carried around in a pocket for a season or two will have this issue.

Remington makes millions of rounds a year, there will always be a certain amount of bad bullets

if they test fired each one, we would never get any ammo LOL :)
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Lol, its internet slang. FTF is whatever he wants it to be
 
Nothing to do with luck. Terrible remington quality. My buddy showed me some 300 win mag that the bullets got pushed into the case because they were in his pocket... Not great for recoil I would imagine. Would never trust the stuff for hunting.
 
You can't tell if a primer has gone off or not in an empty case without pulling the bullet and looking for carbon. There will be no pop, no sound whatsoever, and the bullet wont move.
With the volume of an empty case there is enough room for the gases from the primer to expand without moving the bullet. I've loaded some ammo without powder by accident and others on purpose to test. I've probably had 10 rounds in various calibers over the years with no powder all with the same result. Either way the bullet doesn't move even .001" if it's crimped in. When the bullets were pulled, the bases were black with soot from the primer going off. A primer doesn't have enough force to move the bullet unless there is something filling the case to decrease volume (something that doesn't combust). In a really tiny case (9mm maybe? 22s/lr for sure) it might move the bullet but I've never had movement even with CCI magnum primers in 44mag or 223 cases.

Unless you pulled the bullets and found the insides of the cases still shiny and new, there is no easy way to tell if the primers have gone off or not if there is no powder. If there is powder, it could be a bad primers.

Remington's QC has fallen year after year for the last couple decades. There are less reports of bunk ammo being produced than from Winchester but all the US companies seem to have reduced quality to increase production/decrease costs. Most people I know have either decided to live with the chance of duds, only buy premium types of ammo, or started handloading with quality components.
 
LUTNIT said:
You can't tell if a primer has gone off or not in an empty case without pulling the bullet and looking for carbon. There will be no pop, no sound whatsoever, and the bullet wont move.
With the volume of an empty case there is enough room for the gases from the primer to expand without moving the bullet. I've loaded some ammo without powder by accident and others on purpose to test. I've probably had 10 rounds in various calibers over the years with no powder all with the same result. Either way the bullet doesn't move even .001" if it's crimped in. When the bullets were pulled, the bases were black with soot from the primer going off. A primer doesn't have enough force to move the bullet unless there is something filling the case to decrease volume (something that doesn't combust). In a really tiny case (9mm maybe? 22s/lr for sure) it might move the bullet but I've never had movement even with CCI magnum primers in 44mag or 223 cases.

Unless you pulled the bullets and found the insides of the cases still shiny and new, there is no easy way to tell if the primers have gone off or not if there is no powder. If there is powder, it could be a bad primers.

Remington's QC has fallen year after year for the last couple decades. There are less reports of bunk ammo being produced than from Winchester but all the US companies seem to have reduced quality to increase production/decrease costs. Most people I know have either decided to live with the chance of duds, only buy premium types of ammo, or started handloading with quality components.
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In my competitive shooting days, when I loaded thousands of rounds a year (9mm, 38spl, 45acp, .223). Ive had many rounds that when loaded didnt get powder, and when fired sounded differently and would/could push a bullet out of the case and into the barrel. Lots of guys( myself included) carried a "squib rod" on their belt so they could nock out bullets lodged in the barrel !
 
RT said:
In my competitive shooting days, when I loaded thousands of rounds a year (9mm, 38spl, 45acp, .223). Ive had many rounds that when loaded didnt get powder, and when fired sounded differently and would/could push a bullet out of the case and into the barrel. Lots of guys( myself included) carried a "squib rod" on their belt so they could nock out bullets lodged in the barrel !
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Like I said, with smaller rounds it could happen. I've heard of it happening with 9mm and even 45ACP through word of mouth. I've never had it happen or heard of it happening with larger rounds though. I haven't had it happen with 223 but maybe it could. I can't see it happening with something as large as 7mm08. If the bullet does move enough to lodge in the throat of the barrel it does make sense that it would sound different. I've never had anything other than the usual *click* when the bullet doesn't move.

Regardless, unless the bullets are pulled and the primers are found to have not gone off at all, there is no way to confirm that they did or didn't go off.
 
Remington quality is crap and has been for some time. Ammo, rifles and shotguns all garbage. Its terrible when you go to the range and the guy next to you has a norinco copy of your 870 and his functions perfectly while your Remington ####s the bed repeatedly.
 
Two emails to Remington now. No reply. Im going to try a phone call.

I dont really expect them to do anything, but I dont think its unreasonable for them to at least reply.
 
RT said:
Two emails to Remington now. No reply. Im going to try a phone call.

I dont really expect them to do anything, but I dont think its unreasonable for them to at least reply.
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I emailed them about a box of 525 golden bullets I had with 30 duds and sent a picture of a squashed round I found in the box and they sent me a cheque for $30 bucks. I was pretty pleased because I thought I'd see if I could get a voucher for a box of 50 to replace the duds just for the heck of it lol
 
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