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to Easysauce™® incorporated's reviews of the Never Ending Arguement NEA-15 PDW
featuring an appearance by; commie gun CQaDizzle, and Shaq*
***********************WARNING*********************
The following review contains adult language, dancing russians, scenes of haters and *Shaq isnt coming.
viewer discretion is advised
the previous out of the box preview was only finger fcuking,
this one is totally different, this one is all about finger banging
The specs from the MAN (ufacturers)
Available in 7.5", 10.5", 14.5 and 18" Lengths
M4 Feed Ramps
Chromalloy Steel
1:7 Polygonal rifling
Bore & Exterior treated with our proprietary ARC+ processing
High Pressure Tested (HPT)
Magnetic Particle Inspected (MPI)
Warranty - Lifetime
What does it do? We take a match grade polygonal rifled barrel barrel and treat it in such a way that the end product is a very strong, very consistent shooter. We are left with a barrel with a dull grey finish. The longevity is such that we are confidant in providing an unparalleled lifetime warranty on them.
price on my 7.5 PDW model $994.00+tax
norq specs
Available in 14.5 and 10"
has m4 feeds
1:9 barrel rifling twist
bayonet lug
iron sights included
the higest quality product slave labour can produce
service life 6000 rounds
no warranty
price on my 14.5 CQa model $699+tax
range report:
both rifles are using a 1x bushnell trophy T dot sight, says its 3 MOA. back up irons present, but not used. AE223 55gr
Both rifles went through several rapid fire test (6 lar 10 mags, coupled, fired as fast as I can pull the trigger, NEA had this done 3x to it instead of just once so 180 rnds vs 60)
the NEA: went fine, all brass with out at 2 oclock in a nice pile for my buddy to pick up
the Norq:went fine, the bolt hold open doesnt work all the time, brass goes from 2 oclock, to 3, to 4,
both rifles were shot from prone to 100m for tighest group(10shots) for accuracy, and the groups are in inches from the bulls eye, using magazine as rest:
keep in mind this is an unmagnified 3moa red dot ( thats what bushnell says it is... doesnt feel that coarse to me however)
the NEA: my best group, prone, with magazing as the rest, was 2.5" (has to be luck though, was first one, couldnt do it again today) rest were 3-4",
the Norq: best group was 4", rest were 4-5"
for comparison, I used a buddies bushnell ar-10 in .308, longer barrel but same day, same range ect, with his bipod, and scope (30X) and hit bulls eye three times in a row... (1/2 inch group, but I flew the first show 1/2" low, could have all bulet holes touching with this gun at that range)
the "point and click" aim at 100m, 5 different 6" targets, shot twice in order, as fast as I can while being accurate (same shooting position as above)
the nea: I had no problem, widest pair was 4", most less then that, all hit the target
the norq: seems like 5" to 6" groups were the norm, had two on top of each other less then an inch away for one target, but it took me longer to get these shots off as well.
overall
the NEA:the number of features on here, the life time of the barrel (lifetime), and the looks of the NEA are on par with rifles costing much more, and as far as I know NEA is the ONLY one with this angular look, love it or hate it. The barrel performed to what I would expect of a match 7.5 barrel, very accurate. let me state that again, VERY accurate. more accurate then my 14.5" norinco, and the follow up shots come a lot quicker since the shorter barrel has less torque throwing it around. however, what I think makes this gun particularly good, is the lower. I wish I had a good camera, but the front of the magwell has this nice big ### groove and is also 2mm wider on the OD, which besides looking cool, gives great grip, to provide a better grip for people like me who hold it there. Down side is they are selling these faster then they can make them, so you will have to wait a bit to get one. But again, i feel like a grand was a very good deal for the amount of features I got.
the Norq: no absolute failures, nothing really stands out as super good, except price. if money is your number one concern, but you still want an AR, you probably wont regret buying the norinco,its not a bad gun, its just featureless. Ok well, not feature less, you can put a bayonet on it, and the selector is on both sides if your a lefty. I found the handguard or iron front post got in the way of a lot of sights. if you want a rail, low profile gas block, barrel shorter then 10", extra mag well grip, staked castle nut, free floated barrel, then youll have to pay for it down the road. the loose fire selector I wont hold against Norinco, since I have been using it regularly for a year, these things wear out.
***Updated****
final verdict: well both guns now have a good amount of rounds through them, the norqs somewhere around 2300(updated~4k now, no new issues), the NEA is about 1500(updated ~4k now, no new issues), and both have had lord knows how much .22 lr put down them.
reliability: both the NEA and the norq were reliable, the norq had a couple FTF, the NEA had a loose screw on the low pro gas block, both ran 500 rounds with out cleaning, lube, with no issues, both guns are reliable
accuracy: no contest, my NEA barrel is HALF as long, shot 1" better, and had less snap (ie faster followups) also, LIFETIME warrenty, vs a 6k service life
value: while the Norinco is cheaper, and I am not regretting buying it, I think you get the most value for your money with an NEA. the better quality barrel alone is work a hundred bucks, and things like rails, low profile gas blocks, and free floated barrels, are worth far morre then the 300$ price bump you pay to go from Norinco to NEA. I have shot colt, bushnell, and armalites, and would not hesitate to put NEA in the same catagory.
looks/finish: the Norq looks like any other ar-15, ever, and I dont like the plastic handguard, it had some flashing on it when I bought it that cut my hands a bit till I smoothed it out. the NEA looks unique, they have completly redone all the cuts, looks very unique and blaster like. the handguard is aluminium, and I cannot find a snag anywhere on it.
the norinco edge:
can put a bayonet on it. cant do that with the NEA, stock anyways, and I happen to LIKE the classic front post and such when I shoot irons.
the NEA edge: lots of extras for little cost, the barrel is high quality, and the fit is tight. finish is also very good, but most importantly it shoots accurately. It also has the extra grip for those who like to hold the mag well.
what sucks about the norinco: the front post will get in the way of many optics, as will the hand guard. the castle nut is not staked, constantly comes loose, and will need to be staked to prevent constant re tightening.
what sucks about the NEA: I did get a heavy trigger with mine, it was well under the serial # that NEA said had shipped with those, new one in the mail within 24hrs, at my door within a few days, but still, tsk tsk and all. I did have to tighten a gas block screw at about 750 rounds or so, 750 rounds later I have not had to re tighten.
*** UPDATED WITH PICS****
heres another good thread with a pics of the NEA http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=743789
heres some of the Norinco http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=502486
to Easysauce™® incorporated's reviews of the Never Ending Arguement NEA-15 PDW
featuring an appearance by; commie gun CQaDizzle, and Shaq*
***********************WARNING*********************
The following review contains adult language, dancing russians, scenes of haters and *Shaq isnt coming.
viewer discretion is advised
the previous out of the box preview was only finger fcuking,
this one is totally different, this one is all about finger banging
The specs from the MAN (ufacturers)
Available in 7.5", 10.5", 14.5 and 18" Lengths
M4 Feed Ramps
Chromalloy Steel
1:7 Polygonal rifling
Bore & Exterior treated with our proprietary ARC+ processing
High Pressure Tested (HPT)
Magnetic Particle Inspected (MPI)
Warranty - Lifetime
What does it do? We take a match grade polygonal rifled barrel barrel and treat it in such a way that the end product is a very strong, very consistent shooter. We are left with a barrel with a dull grey finish. The longevity is such that we are confidant in providing an unparalleled lifetime warranty on them.
price on my 7.5 PDW model $994.00+tax
norq specs
Available in 14.5 and 10"
has m4 feeds
1:9 barrel rifling twist
bayonet lug
iron sights included
the higest quality product slave labour can produce
service life 6000 rounds
no warranty
price on my 14.5 CQa model $699+tax
range report:
both rifles are using a 1x bushnell trophy T dot sight, says its 3 MOA. back up irons present, but not used. AE223 55gr
Both rifles went through several rapid fire test (6 lar 10 mags, coupled, fired as fast as I can pull the trigger, NEA had this done 3x to it instead of just once so 180 rnds vs 60)
the NEA: went fine, all brass with out at 2 oclock in a nice pile for my buddy to pick up
the Norq:went fine, the bolt hold open doesnt work all the time, brass goes from 2 oclock, to 3, to 4,
both rifles were shot from prone to 100m for tighest group(10shots) for accuracy, and the groups are in inches from the bulls eye, using magazine as rest:
keep in mind this is an unmagnified 3moa red dot ( thats what bushnell says it is... doesnt feel that coarse to me however)
the NEA: my best group, prone, with magazing as the rest, was 2.5" (has to be luck though, was first one, couldnt do it again today) rest were 3-4",
the Norq: best group was 4", rest were 4-5"
for comparison, I used a buddies bushnell ar-10 in .308, longer barrel but same day, same range ect, with his bipod, and scope (30X) and hit bulls eye three times in a row... (1/2 inch group, but I flew the first show 1/2" low, could have all bulet holes touching with this gun at that range)
the "point and click" aim at 100m, 5 different 6" targets, shot twice in order, as fast as I can while being accurate (same shooting position as above)
the nea: I had no problem, widest pair was 4", most less then that, all hit the target
the norq: seems like 5" to 6" groups were the norm, had two on top of each other less then an inch away for one target, but it took me longer to get these shots off as well.
overall
the NEA:the number of features on here, the life time of the barrel (lifetime), and the looks of the NEA are on par with rifles costing much more, and as far as I know NEA is the ONLY one with this angular look, love it or hate it. The barrel performed to what I would expect of a match 7.5 barrel, very accurate. let me state that again, VERY accurate. more accurate then my 14.5" norinco, and the follow up shots come a lot quicker since the shorter barrel has less torque throwing it around. however, what I think makes this gun particularly good, is the lower. I wish I had a good camera, but the front of the magwell has this nice big ### groove and is also 2mm wider on the OD, which besides looking cool, gives great grip, to provide a better grip for people like me who hold it there. Down side is they are selling these faster then they can make them, so you will have to wait a bit to get one. But again, i feel like a grand was a very good deal for the amount of features I got.
the Norq: no absolute failures, nothing really stands out as super good, except price. if money is your number one concern, but you still want an AR, you probably wont regret buying the norinco,its not a bad gun, its just featureless. Ok well, not feature less, you can put a bayonet on it, and the selector is on both sides if your a lefty. I found the handguard or iron front post got in the way of a lot of sights. if you want a rail, low profile gas block, barrel shorter then 10", extra mag well grip, staked castle nut, free floated barrel, then youll have to pay for it down the road. the loose fire selector I wont hold against Norinco, since I have been using it regularly for a year, these things wear out.
***Updated****
final verdict: well both guns now have a good amount of rounds through them, the norqs somewhere around 2300(updated~4k now, no new issues), the NEA is about 1500(updated ~4k now, no new issues), and both have had lord knows how much .22 lr put down them.
reliability: both the NEA and the norq were reliable, the norq had a couple FTF, the NEA had a loose screw on the low pro gas block, both ran 500 rounds with out cleaning, lube, with no issues, both guns are reliable
accuracy: no contest, my NEA barrel is HALF as long, shot 1" better, and had less snap (ie faster followups) also, LIFETIME warrenty, vs a 6k service life
value: while the Norinco is cheaper, and I am not regretting buying it, I think you get the most value for your money with an NEA. the better quality barrel alone is work a hundred bucks, and things like rails, low profile gas blocks, and free floated barrels, are worth far morre then the 300$ price bump you pay to go from Norinco to NEA. I have shot colt, bushnell, and armalites, and would not hesitate to put NEA in the same catagory.
looks/finish: the Norq looks like any other ar-15, ever, and I dont like the plastic handguard, it had some flashing on it when I bought it that cut my hands a bit till I smoothed it out. the NEA looks unique, they have completly redone all the cuts, looks very unique and blaster like. the handguard is aluminium, and I cannot find a snag anywhere on it.
the norinco edge:
the NEA edge: lots of extras for little cost, the barrel is high quality, and the fit is tight. finish is also very good, but most importantly it shoots accurately. It also has the extra grip for those who like to hold the mag well.
what sucks about the norinco: the front post will get in the way of many optics, as will the hand guard. the castle nut is not staked, constantly comes loose, and will need to be staked to prevent constant re tightening.
what sucks about the NEA: I did get a heavy trigger with mine, it was well under the serial # that NEA said had shipped with those, new one in the mail within 24hrs, at my door within a few days, but still, tsk tsk and all. I did have to tighten a gas block screw at about 750 rounds or so, 750 rounds later I have not had to re tighten.
*** UPDATED WITH PICS****
heres another good thread with a pics of the NEA http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=743789
heres some of the Norinco http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=502486
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