Urgent notice to bc hunters

Suther said:
Bit of a difference between Europeans who came here a century or two ago and Natives who've lived here for 15 000 years, many of whom have creation stories that state they were here since the dawn of man (regardless of the truthfulness of such stories).

Don't get me wrong, this whole thing sounds like a boatload of bull####, but that's a poor comparison and not an argument that will get us anywhere.
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I think the point is still valid regardless of how long they've been here for. The fact that they are still in existence, are treated fair, given special rights, still have lands, and can practice their traditions freely is more than some can ask for but yet they still cry out for more and more handouts is mind boggling. No one is oppressing them or harming them in these current times so why all the whining? Do they want to Lord over the white/yellow/ black man? Wheres the equality?
 
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The potential save here is the razor thin minority government. Basically, they have done nothing, to afraid to lose any voters. Vancouver island, a dipper stronghold has a strong blue collar, union, outdoors tradition.

Could i see them pushing this with a majority? Absolutely i could, pay attention to your enemies, often they will tell you exactly what they intend.
 
dgradinaru said:
Do you really think such laws coming in place will stop me from hunting game? I have no need to ask for their permission. I will and do abide by the regulations in regards to game quota/legal harvest and would continue to do so even if they tried implementing such a law. That law will only cause more division and unrest and I'm sure there will be altercations between natives and British Columbian's.

We live in a land where all should abide by one set of laws. A Canadian is a Canadian and there shouldn't be any special privileges for specific groups. Time and time again we see that it causes more division the moment you start doing that. In my eyes its pretty much like a 2nd class citizen. Now if we bring the past up, what difference is there in regards to lands being taken away or conquered? Look at the map of Europe in the last 200 years you will see how much its changed yet in most places everyone is treated fairly and under one rule of law. You don't see modern day Germany crying out that it lost lands during the two world wars and wanting them back, you get the picture. Many countries/ethnic groups lost lands to one another.

We could also look at the fact that first nations originate from Asia so to say all this land was theirs is absurd. I'm sure they had certain territories but i highly doubt a west coast tribe would go out of the way and try and claim lands that was several hundred km's away as I'm sure it would have to rival another tribe to conquer it.
This argument is old. We as a society should be moving forward leaving the past behind hoping that dark history wont repeat itself.
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I think I agree with your sentiment almost entirely. I just don't think crouching what you have just explained as a 'god given right to hunt' is as a productive way to summarize what you have just described.

Personally I don't believe in land ownership generally, and think that imposing arbitrary borders on animals that do not know borders doesn't make a lot of sense for a variety of reasons.

Probably the big difference between Europe and North America is that when Europe was colonized by civilizations who actually recorded history, they successfully eradicated the cultures of those who were there before, and they were unapologetic in their desire to conquer new lands for their distant rulers.

The settlers of North America pulled their punches and their descendants have been paying for it every since.

The one trouble I have with your post, is that the descendants of the surviving civilizations that were here before the 1500s conquest of North America do not universally consider themselves as Canadian, and have a legitimate basis for refusing to recognize the sovereignty of the Canadian government.
 
Cameron SS said:
I think I agree with your sentiment almost entirely. I just don't think crouching what you have just explained as a 'god given right to hunt' is as a productive way to summarize what you have just described.

Personally I don't believe in land ownership generally, and think that imposing arbitrary borders on animals that do not know borders doesn't make a lot of sense for a variety of reasons.

Probably the big difference between Europe and North America is that when Europe was colonized by civilizations who actually recorded history, they successfully eradicated the cultures of those who were there before, and they were unapologetic in their desire to conquer new lands for their distant rulers.

The settlers of North America pulled their punches and their descendants have been paying for it every since.

The one trouble I have with your post, is that the descendants of the surviving civilizations that were here before the 1500s conquest of North America do not universally consider themselves as Canadian, and have a legitimate basis for refusing to recognize the sovereignty of the Canadian government.
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Its my human right to sustain and defend my family and I. Mankind can come up with many laws and try and oppress or take certain freedoms away but its my duty to provide and if it goes against my convictions and morals i will resist. God given instinct and in my opinion it makes sustaining/survival a right as long as it doesn't harm other innocent people in the process.

If they don't consider themselves Canadians then they better look at their birth certificates and passports. It will remind them that they are Canadian.
 
45ACPKING said:
this infringes on S.35 constitutional rights of Metis and Non status indians..... unbelievable.

we need a new political party in BC soon or this province will be utterly screwed and everyone will have to "pay to play:. This will include "all" back country users not just hunters.

hell at this point, for me, the province is already infringing on my S35 rights to hunt and fish by requiring me to buy a license and tags period. That's because I am Metis , not first nations.
so I am just as burned as all the other resident hunters out there.

I think my days of playing by their rules are coming to an end.
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+1 on that! if they continue with the bull####, i will end up not following the rules at all!
 
I can only speak about feedback I got from hunters in the north here after forwarding the info. They did NOT like what they are supposed to be fed from the "government".

Don't ask me for quotes, lol...
 
I can see this affecting anyone who uses public land for any purpose, not just hunters. Commercial, industrial and recreational. Be interesting to see what happens when mountain bikers are told they need to pay.
 
PSE said:
I'm sure the B.C. government dosen't look at it like that. You have no right to hunt in National or provincial parks. You have no right to hunt on private land and now no right to hunt on indigenous land (formerly known as crown land).

We are getting closer to the European model of hunting where you book and pay a private landowner for the privilege of hunting on his land. A sport where only the rich and well connected can indulge in.
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There is indigenous land claims that cover every square inch of land in Canada, handing over all the crown land is just the beginning. We have no property rights in Canada.

Almost half of Oklahoma just became an Indian Reserve and the people who lived there have property rights, still didn't help.
 
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